A few questions from new BX25D owner

[coveredbridge]

I use a large screened funnel to fuel my tractor.

After I knocked my garage door off the tracks a few times, I taped a note over the dash panel to remind me to check the ROPS when leaving or entering the garage. It's worked so far.

Had the same problem with the throttle handle. I put a piece of double sided duct tape over the lever and pushed the handle on over it. Mostly working, but if you pull on the handle the wrong way it tends to slip off the lever. Also, when mine was new the lever was really stiff. I waited a bit thinking it would loosen up. When it didn't, I adjusted it myself.

 

[Madz]

Appreciate all the help so far. I've still hardly used the tractor as still waiting on the 4:1 bucket. Was quickly demonstrating the backhoe the other day to a family member - just moving it around in the air, not actually digging with it, and i noticed when trying to operate both levers at once it was really only moving in response to one of them, only moving very slow in the other direction. Is that normal? I didnt notice this the first time when i actually dug with it but i was going really slow being my first time. I'm away for a bit so cant go and try it for real digging so just wanted to check if others had noticed the same??

 

[Fiziksgeek]

Appreciate all the help so far. I've still hardly used the tractor as still waiting on the 4:1 bucket. Was quickly demonstrating the backhoe the other day to a family member - just moving it around in the air, not actually digging with it, and i noticed when trying to operate both levers at once it was really only moving in response to one of them, only moving very slow in the other direction. Is that normal? I didnt notice this the first time when i actually dug with it but i was going really slow being my first time. I'm away for a bit so cant go and try it for real digging so just wanted to check if others had noticed the same??

What was the engine rpm when doing the demo? If your engine is running slow, you'll have slower hydraulic flow, could explain what you were experiencing.

 

[Madz]

Yeah thought that too as was using it at 2700 have been trying not to run it full speed - manual says not to for first 50 hours? But turned it up to over 3000 to see if it made any difference but it didnt seem to. Was wondering if it was something to do with not having any resistance to slow movement down but just felt wrong

 

[dragoneggs]

I have found my BH swing to be pretty jerky if I go above 2500rpm. For that matter I rarely rev it higher than that ever! BH always swings too fast for me unless I feather it. Trying to dip and curl at the same time slows things down but I think that may be intentional so things aren't over stressed? I don't know... Just a guess.

 

[Grandad4]

Appreciate all the help so far. I've still hardly used the tractor as still waiting on the 4:1 bucket. Was quickly demonstrating the backhoe the other day to a family member - just moving it around in the air, not actually digging with it, and i noticed when trying to operate both levers at once it was really only moving in response to one of them, only moving very slow in the other direction. Is that normal? I didnt notice this the first time when i actually dug with it but i was going really slow being my first time. I'm away for a bit so cant go and try it for real digging so just wanted to check if others had noticed the same??

There's a whole lot of technique involved in operating a backhoe and each machine has its own unique control behavior that must be mastered. The more hours of operation you accumulate, the better you get at using it. Don't get discouraged if the first few times you use it are pretty clumsy. Once you're at 50-100 hours, it will be working more smoothly in your hands. Having said that, the control setup on a BX is going to be less refined than what comes on larger backhoes, so your personal skill in operating it is even more important. Keep at it!

 

[dragoneggs]

There's a whole lot of technique involved in operating a backhoe and each machine has its own unique control behavior that must be mastered. The more hours of operation you accumulate, the better you get at using it. Don't get discouraged if the first few times you use it are pretty clumsy. Once you're at 50-100 hours, it will be working more smoothly in your hands. Having said that, the control setup on a BX is going to be less refined than what comes on larger backhoes, so your personal skill in operating it is even more important. Keep at it!

Agreed. You get a real good feel for the controls and develop a rhythm after putting in some backward seat time.

 

[Madz]

Yeah know what you mean about mastering the controls - my first dig kind of like trying to pat my head and rub my stomach!! But my issue now is if trying to use 2 levers at once with one at reasonable speed, it barely moves on the second axis - wondering if thats normal when moving in the air (ie without resistance) or i have an issue with hydraulic flow...

 

[dragoneggs]

Yeah know what you mean about mastering the controls - my first dig kind of like trying to pat my head and rub my stomach!! But my issue now is if trying to use 2 levers at once with one at reasonable speed, it barely moves on the second axis - wondering if thats normal when moving in the air (ie without resistance) or i have an issue with hydraulic flow...

Sorry I'm 2000mi away from mine at the moment so I can't play with it but maybe if you describe your movement in detail someone can comment. Are you trying lift your boom and curl your dipper at the same time?

 

[newbury]

Yeah know what you mean about mastering the controls - my first dig kind of like trying to pat my head and rub my stomach!! But my issue now is if trying to use 2 levers at once with one at reasonable speed, it barely moves on the second axis - wondering if thats normal when moving in the air (ie without resistance) or i have an issue with hydraulic flow...

I would suspect you have an issue with hydraulic flow. Your tractor only pumps so many GPM. You also might want to get your pressure checked to see if it's near the upper limit. There have been many threads on here discussing the fact that the pumps were set well below the limit and needing "shimming" up the pump.
/edit -
I've been running my B7610 since 2009 and finally measured the pressure. It's at about 1700 instead of 1920.

 

[Grandad4]

Yeah know what you mean about mastering the controls - my first dig kind of like trying to pat my head and rub my stomach!! But my issue now is if trying to use 2 levers at once with one at reasonable speed, it barely moves on the second axis - wondering if thats normal when moving in the air (ie without resistance) or i have an issue with hydraulic flow...

My first few tries with the bh were like that too. After a while I started to notice if I very gently worked the controls, I could get them into a combination movement. The more I tried it, the better I got. Also, I learned to lower the tractor rpm and not run it at full pto speed. Everything got smoother and more controllable. My bh is on the larger tractor, so it's different from a BX, but the same idea applies. At first, you only need enough rpm to get sufficient hydraulic pressure and flow to run the hoe. It'll move more slowly that way, which is a good thing while you're getting the feel of it. When you''re good enough with the controls, you can increase the rpm and make faster movements.

 

[check]

It is amazing how, after a while, you move the controls without even thinking. For me it's like I'm reaching my own hand in there.

 

[Madz]

...maybe if you describe your movement in detail someone can comment. Are you trying lift your boom and curl your dipper at the same time?

Its nice you're still on the forum when your so far from your "toy"! Yep thats a good example - when curling the dipper in at reasonable speed the boom will barely lift, once the dipper is all the way in it raises at normal speed. Sounds like i may need to check pressure thanks for the other replies i have been reading some of the threads on that now will need to get myself a guage

 

[kcender]

Its nice you're still on the forum when your so far from your "toy"! Yep thats a good example - when curling the dipper in at reasonable speed the boom will barely lift, once the dipper is all the way in it raises at normal speed. Sounds like i may need to check pressure thanks for the other replies i have been reading some of the threads on that now will need to get myself a guage

My L45 is pretty much the same.There is only so much hydraulic flow so the valve determines the priority by how much you move each lever.Hope this makes sense.I previously had two other Kubotas with backhoes and they were also the same.Pressure will determine how much strength the hydraulics have but won't affect the flow.The pump will determine this,more RPM more flow and more speed.

 

[BXinNH]

Madz,
It sounds like your backhoe is operating about the same as my BX. The available hydraulic flow will really only support one function at full speed. Two controls can be operated simultaneously but at reduced speed and it takes some feathering on the controls to get it to work.

Matt.

 

[TomSeller]

This is normal for many smaller lighter duty "backhoes" and is related to GPM capacity as mentioned. Once you get into full size professional backhoes you can get more dual movement. Personally, I get on one of my backhoes once a month and speed is my enemy for the first 5 minutes anyway.