A bicycle or a lawn tractor?

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I was hipped on "Related Topics" recently - LOL. So I thought I'd throw out a question here. As empty nesters now, the wife and I were thinking about getting into biking and other types of exercise activities. I still play other sports, but I'm looking for something that she can do with me. So I thought biking might be good. It was recommended that I go to a bike shop versus the "big-box" stores. When I walked into one and started looking at prices, it was a rude awakening. I saw prices ranging from $1K to $5K and above. Seemed to me you could easily spend more on biking equipment than a law tractor; another one of those things that make you go hmmm...

What makes bicycles so expensive? They're not even powered by gasoline engines. Whatever the case, I guess it works because I see plenty of people buying them complete with the uniforms that make them look like tour de france racers.
 
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Do you have a good place to ride? Traffic? Hills?

Check your local Goodwill stores for bikes. I've seen lots of mid-range bikes at very good prices. And not as great a loss if you end up not liking the activity.

Is getting and using a "lawn tractor" something she will have fun using with you? :)

Bruce
 
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Is getting and using a "lawn tractor" something she will have fun using with you? :)

Bruce

LOL - something tells me she wouldn't think a lawn tractor would be too much fun. That would be close to getting her a vacuum cleaner for her birthday. But thanks for the Goodwill tip.

Oh, forgot - we have bike trails within our community.
 
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Get a set of gang reel mowers and pull them behind the bicycles. Then you can have the best of both worlds. :)
Seriously though, you don't need to spend that much on new or used until you are sure that you want to stay with it. There are plenty of bikes on the market for a more reasonable price. You might have to settle for steel frames vs titanium or expensivium.
 
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Just something to consider...

Hippos can run faster than humans on land, and swim faster than humans in water...Which means the bicycle is your only chance of beating a hippo in a triathlon....!
 
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Get a set of gang reel mowers and pull them behind the bicycles. Then you can have the best of both worlds. :)
Seriously though, you don't need to spend that much on new or used until you are sure that you want to stay with it. There are plenty of bikes on the market for a more reasonable price. You might have to settle for steel frames vs titanium or expensivium.
Okay, so you guys got jokes and stuff! :D If only we could put that brain-power to work for something good!

Yeah, you're right - we definitely don't need to go top of the line from the start. We already know we want it to be for regular exercise versus road racing. So sounds like a good part of the expense is the materials that go into the frame.
 
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Just something to consider...

Hippos can run faster than humans on land, and swim faster than humans in water...Which means the bicycle is your only chance of beating a hippo in a triathlon....!
:unsure::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Most bikes are essentially clones (many brands use the same exact frame) and a vast majority of them are built in the same factory.
Bikesdirect.com sells these super cheap, and they're legit bikes; I'm guessing that the super high end models may be custom-ish built but anything you're considering buying before you become a serious racer isn't.

I bought one for my son a few years ago and there's very minimal setup you need to do, and you can spend 1/2-2/3 retail without all the attitude many bike shops make you pay for (I used to be a serious rider and found few shops that weren't astoundingly elitist... our local town has a couple now which is refreshing but the best-known one, while the owner is really nice, their employees could use some really basic customer care training, and this is coming from someone who's very sympathetic to service industry folks, I just expect someone not to actively sneer if I ask the wrong question or admit that I don't know the very latest gear).

Another thing to consider is a tandem bicycle - you don't have to worry about leaving her behind! Ok, there, you considered it. Now, don't get a tandem, because they're really tough to ride on especially if the stoker (person on the back of the tandem) is nervous... and she'll be nervous. And definitely don't consider going off-road on one. Ask me how I know. (no we didn't crash but I pretty much aged 5 years on a one-hour ride).

Oh and about electrics: Electrics are always heavy; super expensive ones are less heavy than some others, but they're still heavy, and will basically require electric boost anywhere except on a downhill because of that extra weight. Unless you're in a hilly territory and will be shopping or traveling far, avoid electrics for recreation purposes.
 
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Most bikes are essentially clones (many brands use the same exact frame) and a vast majority of them are built in the same factory.
Bikesdirect.com sells these super cheap, and they're legit bikes; I'm guessing that the super high end models may be custom-ish built but anything you're considering buying before you become a serious racer isn't.

I bought one for my son a few years ago and there's very minimal setup you need to do, and you can spend 1/2-2/3 retail without all the attitude many bike shops make you pay for (I used to be a serious rider and found few shops that weren't astoundingly elitist... our local town has a couple now which is refreshing but the best-known one, while the owner is really nice, their employees could use some really basic customer care training, and this is coming from someone who's very sympathetic to service industry folks, I just expect someone not to actively sneer if I ask the wrong question or admit that I don't know the very latest gear).

Another thing to consider is a tandem bicycle - you don't have to worry about leaving her behind! Ok, there, you considered it. Now, don't get a tandem, because they're really tough to ride on especially if the stoker (person on the back of the tandem) is nervous... and she'll be nervous. And definitely don't consider going off-road on one. Ask me how I know. (no we didn't crash but I pretty much aged 5 years on a one-hour ride).

Oh and about electrics: Electrics are always heavy; super expensive ones are less heavy than some others, but they're still heavy, and will basically require electric boost anywhere except on a downhill because of that extra weight. Unless you're in a hilly territory and will be shopping or traveling far, avoid electrics for recreation purposes.

Dude... that is like the motherload of info. I just browsed their site and it's awesome. I think this might be exactly what I'm looking for in terms of variety and definitely price. Since we're basically novices on purchasing bikes like this, I'll say that we'll basically be riding on bike trails - like old canal paths around our area (and in others), so it'll basically be flat and smooth, I think. Would you recommend visiting some bike shops to get a feel for what we need and then ordering online or is something like that frowned upon? Based on the info I've given so far, is there a brand/model that jumps out at you for us already? Thanks so much for that tip.
 
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Dude... that is like the motherload of info. I just browsed their site and it's awesome. I think this might be exactly what I'm looking for in terms of variety and definitely price. Since we're basically novices on purchasing bikes like this, I'll say that we'll basically be riding on bike trails - like old canal paths around our area (and in others), so it'll basically be flat and smooth, I think. Would you recommend visiting some bike shops to get a feel for what we need and then ordering online or is something like that frowned upon? Based on the info I've given so far, is there a brand/model that jumps out at you for us already? Thanks so much for that tip.
I find there to be ethical issues with spending bricks&mortar store time and then buying online, so I can't advise that. If it's worth it to you to get someone's in-person sizing determinations... you kinda owe them something IMO.

That said: You can size bikes pretty accurately on your own. Leg length matters a lot, but also consider torso & arm length. My current MTB (mountain bike) would probably be a decent trials bike; it's got a relatively small frame and it's pretty compact but this means the seat's up quite a bit above the frame and the handlebars are on a long gooseneck and the bike is really twitchy and I feel like I'll crash just trying to get a drink when I'm going above 15mph. Yes, I bought this at a LBS (local bike shop) and it was recommended by size, and I call it a mistake and someday I'll sell it and buy a bigger bike. So obviously buying at the LBS isn't a guarantee that you'll get the right bike! Maybe they just really wanted to sell it.

If you're doing casual trail stuff, or pavement & gravel, don't get a full-suspension bike. The rear suspension is extra weight and cost and complexity that's for pretty serious downhill travel or for really heavy people (I knew a guy who rode casually but he broke bikes quickly until he got a full-suspension: he was 6'6 & 350#).

I personally mostly ride on the road but prefer a MTB vs road bike because bigger tires have more cushion and the front suspension helps with comfort too, and it's a more upright position. MTB isn't as efficient on the road... but I'm just trying to get exercise. I just won't go quite as far on the MTB in the same amount of time as the road bike (eventually sold the road bike already) and still get the same workout, just more comfortably. I ride with tires that are great for road & dirt but would suck on mud, but if it's really muddy out I'm not likely to ride. My tires are 26x2.1" with not quite a slick; they have pretty minimal road friction but still plenty of off-road traction (in dry). Most MTB will come with knobbies and if you mainly ride on the road even when you're just out for exercise you're still probably going to want to replace those, there's limits to not caring about inefficiences haha.

These days they've fragmented the bike market further and now have "gravel bikes" that from what I can tell are like old-fashioned cyclocross bikes. I have a preference for the wider flat MTB handlebars for more upright position, but you may differ.

It's been years since I shopped bikes. My advice would be to look for a bike with at least a middle-of-the-line component set; it used to be that eg Shimano had 3 lines, but now I think they have like 7 or 8. XTR is gorgeous light and perfect sure but super pricey. DX or XT are fine and more than sufficient. Or they were a few years back... basically think about getting the F350 XLT, don't bother with a platinum or king ranch, this is a bicycle. The analogy falls apart though because even the base model is reliable, but I don't consider the base component groups to be reliable - they'll work fine for a little while and get out of adjustment more easily or little **** will break on them. Buy decent stuff and you'll rarely have to mess with it.

26" vs 29er: Doesn't matter, really. 29" look cool and may have a slight edge in rolling smoothness, but I'd check tire prices and initial cost and base it on that. We rode 26" for decades and we liked it!

Fat tire (4" tires): don't, unless you're riding on the beach or in snow, and then reconsidering doing that. Sand will get in everything and destroy it. When I lived in a beach town and often rode my bike to beaches, I literally carried the bike on the sand and flipped it upside down on the seat & handlebars to keep sand out of the workings. 4" tires are really heavy and expensive; the wheels are heavier and expensive; the extra rotating mass will start and stop more slowly.
 
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After reading all this, I kind of miss my old Schwinn.......Unicycle....
 
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Awesome! Thanks so much for the info. I'm about 6'2" with longer legs and shorter torso than most - weigh about 190. My wife is about 5'6" or so - weighs about 130. I really appreciate all the advice. I think some of my friends at work have friends who ride around the area, so I'll ask around with them as well to get advice as to what types of bikes might work for us.
 
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You may save nothing buying two bikes for say $1,500 and after your first 10 minutes the wife’s hands fall asleep and or your neck hurts. Bikes are like hiking boots or trail running shoes for me. I have to try them on. Trek has bike stores all over the place. Even Virginia. you can spend some money or tons of it there on bikes.
 
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You may save nothing buying two bikes for say $1,500 and after your first 10 minutes the wife’s hands fall asleep and or your neck hurts. Bikes are like hiking boots or trail running shoes for me. I have to try them on. Trek has bike stores all over the place. Even Virginia. you can spend some money or tons of it there on bikes.
“Even VA” - LOL. Yeah, I checked earlier and there is a Trek bike shop in town. That’s why I asked the question of Ning. I do kind of like trying something out, before buying.
 
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I suggest going to a real bike store. Actually go to a few of them. A good one will make sure you fit on the bike. BD can't do that. Bike fit is super important for comfort. Even for bike racers. Many of the road racers I rode and raced with with paid good money to specialist bike fitters to get their fit dialed. There are a lot of fit systems but an experienced person with a good eye can do as well.

I did my first century (organized 100 mile road ride) on a MTB but it's not something I'd recommend. They're just not that fun to ride on the road. The tires are slow, the position makes you catch the wind, and you can't change hand positions like on a drop bar. On the MTB I don't ride much more pavement then connectors between trails. If you want to ride off road you'll need to find the trails. Trailforks (web site and app) is good for that.

You'll want decent clothes. Bike shorts are padded and that helps comfort a lot. The road race kit is skin tight so it won't bunch up under you (causes raw spots where you sit, not fun) and so it won't flap in the wind. Often the LBS will offer discounts on gear bought with a bike, so take advantage of that.

You should discuss with your wife what you want to do if you want to ride together. I tried to get my wife into it when I was already pretty hard core but not racing yet. It didn't go well. Besides the fitness difference she just didn't want to suffer as much as I did. OTOH I know some couples who have ridden together for decades.

It's a super fun sport, and you can get really into it if you have the right (wrong) personality.
 
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To answer your what makes good bikes so expensive: well made light weight parts. Every extra pound on the bike is one you have to drag up hills. It also makes the bike feel slow. It costs a lot to trim the extra grams off every part yet still make it reliable.
 
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I suggest going to a real bike store. Actually go to a few of them. A good one will make sure you fit on the bike. BD can't do that. Bike fit is super important for comfort. Even for bike racers. Many of the road racers I rode and raced with with paid good money to specialist bike fitters to get their fit dialed. There are a lot of fit systems but an experienced person with a good eye can do as well.

I did my first century (organized 100 mile road ride) on a MTB but it's not something I'd recommend. They're just not that fun to ride on the road. The tires are slow, the position makes you catch the wind, and you can't change hand positions like on a drop bar. On the MTB I don't ride much more pavement then connectors between trails. If you want to ride off road you'll need to find the trails. Trailforks (web site and app) is good for that.

You'll want decent clothes. Bike shorts are padded and that helps comfort a lot. The road race kit is skin tight so it won't bunch up under you (causes raw spots where you sit, not fun) and so it won't flap in the wind. Often the LBS will offer discounts on gear bought with a bike, so take advantage of that.

You should discuss with your wife what you want to do if you want to ride together. I tried to get my wife into it when I was already pretty hard core but not racing yet. It didn't go well. Besides the fitness difference she just didn't want to suffer as much as I did. OTOH I know some couples who have ridden together for decades.

It's a super fun sport, and you can get really into it if you have the right (wrong) personality.
It will really be leisure, not too hardcore riding. Who knows what it will turn into, but I expect it won't be anything close to the level you're describing. Appreciate the advice, and info on the costs.
 
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1. Go to a real and locale bike store and get fitted. 2. Expect to spend money. 3. Have fun on something that works and fits.
 
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I really don’t see the point in spending big bucks on a bicycle unless you’re racing them. Yes I’ve rode a good one and yes it’s more efficient but wouldn’t that make it worse at the intended goal of exercise?
 
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My wife and I have Trek bikes. They are fantastic. They cost something like $700 each. That included getting kick stands, water bottle holders, a mirror upgraded seats and a mileage counter.

We only ride paved or chat trails and paths. But - as I said - they are fantastic. We probably ride 1000 miles per year. She rides more than me.

Bikes are great exercise and easy on the joints. I hurt my knee playing tennis and had a time where I couldn’t walk easily. But, I could ride a bike easy. Helped build my knees back to good.

Good luck.

MoKelly
 

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