99 problems and my tractor is every one of them

[ruffdog]

I was rough cutting the pasture field and the aforementioned tractor signalled for a re gen on the indicator cluster. I Initiated re gen cycle which lasted for about 40 minutes, during this time I was monitoring the temperature and rpm, both of which never deviated over normal peramiters.

Once re gen was complete, I continued rough cutting and after about 10 minutes the tractor called for another re gen , which I found suspicious thus prompting me to call kioti authorized service center (the dealership purchased from).

I am under the assumption that a regen can and will happen when you are working the tractor. Did you stop mowing during the regen?

 

[coopdaloop]

Yes I did. It goes into a higher rpm till x amount of time determines that the diesel particulate filter is cleared of "soot". During this process if you run your tractor it will void the Regen and postpone the eventual event. Eventually this action will lead to " forced" Regen you can't postpone. That is my understanding. Feel free to fill me in on my inaccuracies. Thank you.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Yes I did. It goes into a higher rpm till x amount of time determines that the diesel particulate filter is cleared of "soot". During this process if you run your tractor it will void the Regen and postpone the eventual event. Eventually this action will lead to " forced" Regen you can't postpone. That is my understanding. Feel free to fill me in on my inaccuracies. Thank you.

CK4020 Regen

This is my first tier 4 tractor so I’m learning as I go. After doing a lot of research I got pretty confident that the regen problems in the past were mostly in the past. I just bought this CK4020HST yesterday and so far I love it. But the salesman told me something that worries me. He said you...

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You should read this thread.

 

[2manyrocks]

It would seem to be that there needs to be certainty rather than "suspected damage to the radiator." There either is or isn't a coolant leak.

 

[cathy liebchen]

Insurance should cover that

 

[Bavarian]

I stay away from def.

Where in this whole story was a mention of DEF?

 

[coopdaloop]

Thanks for the response.It wasn't def it was DPF. It's a tier 4 emissions control function relegated to tractors over I believe 25 HP. Not fluid but filter.

 

[2manyrocks]

-Small crack in cowling
-dent on exhaust guard
-broken connection on plastic radiator mount

Saying crack instead of hole sounds like running into something or something having dropped on it as opposed to a stick punching a hole in the radiator. Is it possible this damage occurred during transit or even existed prior to them selling you the tractor?

Where is the crack in the cowling-- e.g., on the front like the tractor was run into something or on the top like something was dropped on it from above?

Is this fresh damage that appears to have happened recently?

Others can correct me, but I tend to use the level of coolant in the coolant tank as showing me how much coolant is present. I rarely take the radiator cap off. What does your owner's manual tell you to do about checking the coolant? Does it say to take the rad cap off?

I'd be asking them how much the coolant was low and when did they determine this?

If it wasn't knocking before you took it in, did the dealership do something to cause this?

You also mentioned the lack of a guard. Not sure what you are asking, but apparently a lot of tractors are sold with a grill guard frame that doesn't have any mesh on it to prevent sticks from poking through the cowling. They might or might not sell an accessory mesh insert for the grill guard frame.

40 minutes of regen seems unusually long. I thought regens usually took 20 minutes? Does your owner's manual state any expected time for a regen to be completed?

 

[Yander]

I'll just say, if you can document everything you're saying and feel that you can prove some of it or even all of it, contact an attorney.

It's really important that you have laid out everything in your timeline and if you can get the other dealer to work with you, which will probably be hard, use that against the dealer that you're struggling with.

The kind of money that you're talking about here probably think the lawyer will give you good advice and worth the money.

Sometimes just the threat of lawyers causes people to act differently. It sounds like you have nothing to lose at this point they're about to bend you over.

Edit: I'll add, if you can get them to give you written estimates for the work, both dealers, and see if they will engage in an email correspondence with you so you also have some of that in writing. Say nothing about an attorney and say nothing about contacting the other dealer. The less they know the better. The more you know the better.

I'm one of those that this would really piss me off and I would spend money to make them work at getting my money.

I threatened legal action about a $160 dental bill that I was supposedly sent to collection over. It was due to the dentist's office's negligence in not sending the correct documents to the insurance company in a timely manner. My wife happens to be a medical billing follow up specialist so she had already called the insurance company and had them nailed. We got a text a about 20 minutes after our conversation that they were not sending it to collections, though they said they already had.

When you have information and they finally know it, you put them in "oh $hIT" mode.

But, don't let them know what you know until it is too late and you are threatening legal action.

 

[coopdaloop]

CK4020 Regen

This is my first tier 4 tractor so I’m learning as I go. After doing a lot of research I got pretty confident that the regen problems in the past were mostly in the past. I just bought this CK4020HST yesterday and so far I love it. But the salesman told me something that worries me. He said you...

www.tractorbynet.com

You should read this thre

Saying crack instead of hole sounds like running into something or something having dropped on it as opposed to a stick punching a hole in the radiator. Is it possible this damage occurred during transit or even existed prior to them selling you the tractor?

Where is the crack in the cowling-- e.g., on the front like the tractor was run into something or on the top like something was dropped on it from above?

Is this fresh damage that appears to have happened recently?

Others can correct me, but I tend to use the level of coolant in the coolant tank as showing me how much coolant is present. I rarely take the radiator cap off. What does your owner's manual tell you to do about checking the coolant? Does it say to take the rad cap off?

I'd be asking them how much the coolant was low and when did they determine this?

If it wasn't knocking before you took it in, did the dealership do something to cause this?

You also mentioned the lack of a guard. Not sure what you are asking, but apparently a lot of tractors are sold with a grill guard frame that doesn't have any mesh on it to prevent sticks from poking through the cowling. They might or might not sell an accessory mesh insert for the grill guard frame.

40 minutes of regen seems unusually long. I thought regens usually took 20 minutes? Does your owner's manual state any expected time for a regen to be completed?

Ok so the crack occurs at the mesh of the hood where the exhaust pipe comes to. The exhaust pipe guard is bent. The radiator plastic mount/drain that is protected by a rubber grommet is bent off. The age of damage is hard to determine due to tractor being very new. 67 hours. The owners manual only specifies to look at reservoir. No mention of rad cap or even that that would be an effective way to gauge it. I guess I'm at a loss as why there is no sight glass on a radiator if this is known condition for failure in rad leak. Or perhaps why there isn't low level radiator sensor to alert you to this potential impending crap show lol.

It would seem to be that there needs to be certainty rather than "suspected damage to the radiator." There either is or isn't a coolant le