6013 vs 7014 vs 7018

[MF RED in MT]

Must sleep on a waterbed........... I made all sorts of stuff with bed frames, small atv trailers, atv racks, shelf brackets, anything I want strong and yet light......

No waterbed for me, when I see a bed frame at the local thrift store for a couple of bucks, I'll get it and use it like I said, and also use it for shelving in the garage (ledger support at the wall).

I have certified to many times with 1/8" 7018 during my past working career and have burned a truck load of rod for the required project, but "for me" I like it simple now a days that's why I have a Miller "AutoSet" with shielded gas.

Like I said if I need something different due to the environment, I'll use the mig with flux core wire.

It's ok with me that you and others find a different comfort zone for welding, and each has different projects, etc...

KC

edit: Also I remember that most of the specifications I was involved with were wrote in the 60s almost all for stick welding. Then in the late 70s-80s most of the specifications were wrote for mig welding in the shop and then stick welding in the field. And finally a lot of the specifications were wrote to include mig welding in the field (as applicable), because in my opinion it was a industrial manufacturing companies way to reduce labor cost...

 

[Oldpath05]

No waterbed for me, when I see a bed frame at the local thrift store for a couple of bucks, I'll get it and use it like I said, and also use it for shelving in the garage (ledger support at the wall).

I have certified to many times with 1/8" 7018 during my past working career and have burned a truck load of rod for the required project, but "for me" I like it simple now a days that's why I have a Miller "AutoSet" with shielded gas.

Like I said if I need something different due to the environment, I'll use the mig with flux core wire.

It's ok with me that you and others find a different comfort zone for welding, and each has different projects, etc...

KC

edit: Also I remember that most of the specifications I was involved with were wrote in the 60s almost all for stick welding. Then in the late 70s-80s most of the specifications were wrote for mig welding in the shop and then stick welding in the field. And finally a lot of the specifications were wrote to include mig welding in the field (as applicable), because in my opinion it was a industrial manufacturing companies way to reduce labor cost...

I have the Miller 211 with auto set, I like it, set it on .030 and steel thickness and the heat is right on. I'm no fan of of self shielding flux wire, I guess its ok for outside work but to spattery for me....

 

[Oldpath05]

I currently have an Idealarc 400, and just recently added an Invertec V-155. I made a thread on it the other day.

You like the best dont you especially in the color red, wow that machine is 7k+. Impressive 500 amps, you have carbon arc gouger for the Idealarc? Here's a 35 year old Dialarc a 3rd cousin once removed, at best its 310 amp but on 240 volt its probably around 250 amps..........


Your not going to make me look that thread up are you, to much searching makes my head hurt.......

 

[MF RED in MT]

I have the Miller 211 with auto set, I like it, set it on .030 and steel thickness and the heat is right on. I'm no fan of of self shielding flux wire, I guess its ok for outside work but to spattery for me....

Ya for AutoSet, purchased my Miller 140 about 10 years ago (think they have change model number with newer welders), almost got the dual voltage AutoSet one (Miller 180) which would of made a few projects finish a little quicker because of amps and duty cycle, but oh well got em done with the 140...

And being retired for a while does not matter when things take a little longer (each year seems to add more time?).

I remember years ago at work, all of the mig welders had so many pencil/felt marker reference lines it was crazy back in the day (also the stick machines and tig machines).

KC

edit: I forgot on one field project we use flux core wire for the whole project and when the duty cycle and amps are enough it makes for a very very long piece of welding rod, but yes it's a dirty finished product.

 

[Oldpath05]

Ya for AutoSet, purchased my Miller 140 about 10 years ago (think they have change model number with newer welders), almost got the dual voltage AutoSet one (Miller 180) which would of made a few projects finish a little quicker because of amps and duty cycle, but oh well got em done with the 140...

And being retired for a while does not matter when things take a little longer (each year seems to add more time?).

I remember years ago at work, all of the mig welders had so many pencil/felt marker reference lines it was crazy back in the day (also the stick machines and tig machines).

KC

edit: I forgot on one field project we use flux core wire for the whole project and when the duty cycle and amps are enough it makes for a very very long piece of welding rod, but yes it's a dirty finished product.

I think I have the same stile as yours, mine is 7 years old, think they changed a little in 2015. It almost seem like to get more duty cycle one has to by a bigger welder with more amperage, but I dont need more amperage just more duty cycle, once in a while I need to weld 1 hr without much stopping, I cant remember but think its around 10 min/hour.

Must be to much to ask for to use .030-035 non stop on small machines, have buy something that burns .045-.052 to weld .035 non stop, now you have a big welder that hard to move around, the 211 Miller is very portable. But then again when I retire in a couple years it wont matter, after 35 years of welding I had enough, by then anything that will need more then 10 min of welding will require a 1 hour break, maybe 2 hr...........

 

[deereman75]

My idealarc is sure nothing fancy.... It's a 1960s vintage one I purchased used a number of years ago. No air arc, I like using plasma gouging for disassembly and weld removal. Especially around the shop. Much cleaner and quieter.

Thread on the Invertec should be in the top 6 or so, it's only a few days old.

You like the best dont you especially in the color red, wow that machine is 7k+. Impressive 500 amps, you have carbon arc gouger for the Idealarc? Here's a 35 year old Dialarc a 3rd cousin once removed, at best its 310 amp but on 240 volt its probably around 250 amps..........
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Your not going to make me look that thread up are you, to much searching makes my head hurt.......

 

[deereman75]

That's exactly why I bought a 260 for my mig. I rarely run it over half it's output, but I never have to worry about duty cycle. The more industrial gun the large machines come with is nice as well, although I suppose that could be changed on any machine.

I think I have the same stile as yours, mine is 7 years old, think they changed a little in 2015. It almost seem like to get more duty cycle one has to by a bigger welder with more amperage, but I dont need more amperage just more duty cycle, once in a while I need to weld 1 hr without much stopping, I cant remember but think its around 10 min/hour.

Must be to much to ask for to use .030-035 non stop on small machines, have buy something that burns .045-.052 to weld .035 non stop, now you have a big welder that hard to move around, the 211 Miller is very portable. But then again when I retire in a couple years it wont matter, after 35 years of welding I had enough, by then anything that will need more then 10 min of welding will require a 1 hour break, maybe 2 hr...........

 

[Oldpath05]

My idealarc is sure nothing fancy.... It's a 1960s vintage one I purchased used a number of years ago. No air arc, I like using plasma gouging for disassembly and weld removal. Especially around the shop. Much cleaner and quieter.

Thread on the Invertec should be in the top 6 or so, it's only a few days old.

WOW you must be at antique level should post a pic. I havent seen a 1960s Idealarc in 50 years it looked something like this........

 

[MF RED in MT]

WOW you must be at antique level should post a pic. I havent seen a 1960s Idealarc in 50 years it looked something like this........
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I believe my newer neighbor has one that the previous owner left in the garage (previous owner did not use because of health issues), but the newer neighbor does not know how to weld...

And my Miller 140 AutoSet at maximum amps, 140 (is it can really get that?) has a 10% duty cycle which is about equal to my duty cycle now a days before I need to sit and take a break.

KC

 

[Oldpath05]

I believe my newer neighbor has one that the previous owner left in the garage (previous owner did not use because of health issues), but the newer neighbor does not know how to weld...

And my Miller 140 AutoSet at maximum amps, 140 (is it can really get that?) has a 10% duty cycle which is about equal to my duty cycle now a days before I need to sit and take a break.

KC

And the newer neighbor is getting tied of looking at it so he list on Free For The Taken........ My Miller211 is the same stile as your Miller140, just a hair more oomph and lot more $$, might be the next size up, they still make the 211 but different smaller version I assume it has the same out-put. Sounds like our duty cycle is about the same, comes with age....
Miller Millermatic 14 MIG Welder with Auto-Set for sale (97335) - Welding Supplies from IOC

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