4720 HP

[maddog2020]

I currently have a Case Farmall 45 with 45 hp. I like that size tractor but would like to upgrade in hp. I am looking at a JD 4720. Would like to stay away from the new ones with all the pollution crap on them. I found a nice one with low hours but it is a 2007 model with with 58hp. The 2009 and up models were rated at 66 hp. Looking at specs it is the same motor. Was wondering if something could be done to the older models to make the 66hp of the newer models. Was also wondering if anyone has used both and if there is a noticeable difference in power? Thanks for any help

 

[TractorGuy]

Looking at the specs on tractor data it says the 58 HP version has more torque than the 66 HP engine. 155 lb-ft @ 1440 RPM vs 141 lb-ft @ 1550 RPM.

I would rather have more torque at a lower RPM if I were comparing power.

 

[ovrszd]

It's an assumption on my part that they tweaked the fuel pressure or timing or turbo boost (if equipped) or some other minor thing to boost the power. If it's an off warranty machine the local JD shop mechanic could probably do those adjustments for you?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

It's not always a good thing to boost hp, just because the next size up model, "looks" like the exact same thing.

I have two tractors that I believe are the same age, they appear to be exactly the same except for tire size and pump setting, to get one of them 10 more hp. I was told they were exactly the same except tires and pump setting by the dealer, that I know is very knowledgeable on those tractors.

But in checking that out for myself, the 10 extra horses also gets you a bigger clutch ect... AND who knows what else, that you "can't" see??

BTW, that extra 10hp is VERY noticeable in use!!

SR

 

[dsb5610]

Looking at the specs on tractor data it says the 58 HP version has more torque than the 66 HP engine. 155 lb-ft @ 1440 RPM vs 141 lb-ft @ 1550 RPM.

I would rather have more torque at a lower RPM if I were comparing power.

Nebraska test shows:

141lb.-ft @ 1550 rpm
171lb.-ft. @ 1453 rpm (S/N 670001 and higher)

dsb

 

[ovrszd]

It's not always a good thing to boost hp, just because the next size up model, "looks" like the exact same thing.

I have two tractors that I believe are the same age, they appear to be exactly the same except for tire size and pump setting, to get one of them 10 more hp. I was told they were exactly the same except tires and pump setting by the dealer, that I know is very knowledgeable on those tractors.

But in checking that out for myself, the 10 extra horses also gets you a bigger clutch ect... AND who knows what else, that you "can't" see??

BTW, that extra 10hp is VERY noticeable in use!!

SR

My 9540 Kubota has a smaller sister, 8540. Same tractor, can be equipped with same tires. Just 10HP difference. Yep, 11% HP increase is definitely noticeable.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

My 9540 Kubota has a smaller sister, 8540. Same tractor, can be equipped with same tires. Just 10HP difference. Yep, 11% HP increase is definitely noticeable.

How do you know it's the same tractor??

Did you go through the parts list and see if the part numbers for the entire drive line match?? That's how I found the differences between my two tractors even though they "look" the same on the outside...

SR

 

[ovrszd]

How do you know it's the same tractor??

Did you go through the parts list and see if the part numbers for the entire drive line match?? That's how I found the differences between my two tractors even though they "look" the same on the outside...

SR

No I did not. But I'll bet ya a six pack they are the same tractor?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

No I did not. But I'll bet ya a six pack they are the same tractor?

Famous last words, just what I was told about my two tractors...

SR

 

[ovrszd]

Famous last words, just what I was told about my two tractors...

SR

Are you betting or not?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Betting what? A 6 pack is worthless to me, and I'm NOT going to go through all the parts list to see proof either way...

Apparently you have so much free time on your hands, you are willing to through all that, just to see if you can get a free "6 pack"...

SR

 

[ovrszd]

Betting what? A 6 pack is worthless to me, and I'm NOT going to go through all the parts list to see proof either way...

Apparently you have so much free time on your hands, you are willing to through all that, just to see if you can get a free "6 pack"...

SR

It's simply a friendly wager to resolve a point. You raised the issue. If you don't want to back your claim that's fine.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Back my claim? What claim did I make, I asked you a question and you answered that you did NOT check the part numbers, and that's the only way to know for sure...

What kind of 6 pack??

SR

 

[ovrszd]

Never mind.

 

[Red Horse]

In any case, I have a 2007 4720 Cab, HYdro. As for its 58HP I have no complaints. Nor do I have anything to compare it to-other than my first compact was a 755, then I bought a 3320 whichI think was 35 HP so by comparison the 4720 is a beast. I have a 400X loader, a 48" Wildkat grapple, forks, and I plow snow with 6.5' Fisher with power angle. I also have a 72" Landpride Power Rake that I use to maintain a couple of neighborhood gravel driveways and a Valby PTO Chipper that does a gooe job on stuff up to 3". Tires are loaded R4's and I have a concrete weight block that I figure goes around 500 lbs.

 

[slckeys]

I have nothing to add about the tractor, but that dump truck sure is nice looking in that last picture Red Horse...

 

[TractorGuy]

Nebraska test shows:

141lb.-ft @ 1550 rpm
171lb.-ft. @ 1453 rpm (S/N 670001 and higher)

dsb

Yep. Looks like Tractor Data's data is flawed.

John Deere | Tractor Test Lab | Nebraska

 

[Red Horse]

I have nothing to add about the tractor, but that dump truck sure is nice looking in that last picture Red Horse...

Thx- shows her years well- 1956

 

[mred2]

Rob, even parts lists may not matter. I have a basket lift and need new tires. Order them and was told that they will fit. Drive tires had a sub, the sub only clears the frame by 1/2 inch. They discontinued the old parts, new ones are wider. The steer tires do not clear. I need about a 2 inch spacer to move the rims/tires out. On my serial number they used different steering yokes. New yokes are $670 each. I think I will go with spacers.
I remember as a kid, the JD 4010 had a turbo added to it. We could not keep clutches in it. Took turbo out.