Comparison 4320 Cab info request.

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BlackRaptor

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Hey guys,
I'm toying around with the idea of upgrading my 2520 to a larger frame tractor. The 2520 is great but it just doesn't have enough loader ability for me. I also hate winter and cold.
The 3X20 series is a really nice size but I think if i buy this time i want to over buy just a bit. it's too expensive changing out tractors.

And I know down the road i will have a need for more machine.

I am comparing the 4320 with the CT440 and CT450 from bobcat.
Bobcat seems to be a fair amount cheaper.

I asked this in the bobcat area i also wanted feed back from the Deere fans.
Are the bobcats cheaper for a reason or are they every bit as good build wise as the 4320?
I honestly want the Deere more but money talks.
 
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I suspect the majority of the Kioti / Bobcat owners feel their machines are just as good or even better and maybe cheaper as well. Often what is cheaper in the first place is so for a reason and come trade or sell time the price will be even cheaper.

My son recently sold a 2004 JD 790 with FEL and rear scraper. He purchased a used Kioti DK65 Cab with FEL for only $5,000 more. I recently saw a used 2004 CK20 with asking price = 1/2 original purchase. Just two examples, but that tells me something about value.

I recently sold a 2008 JD 3320 TLB for 7% less than I paid. That also tells me something about value.

It's been my experience that if I really want something and buy something else just because it is cheap - in the long run I'm not happy.

You don't say what you need to do with the tractor etc. If you are looking for a larger tractor with increased FEL abilities and not a giant lawnmower, it's not much of a stretch from a loaded up 4320 / 4520 cab to a 5083E Limited.

If you are looking at keeping the new tractor for a while even a $5K difference over 5 - 10 years may not be a large amount for increased satisfaction, plus if you do sell a good portion will come back on sale or trade. I just upgraded to a 3320 cab and didn't even look at the other colors this time around.

If you really want the Deere - for rational reasons or otherwise - buy it and don't look back.
 
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Thanks for the information.
I never even gave the 5083E a thought because I thought it was WAY out of my price range. But just building it on Deere they are only a couple grand apart. I wonder why the 4X20 series is so much more than a larger cab high HP tractor.

The reason I want larger is for loader work and pulling box blades ground moving type stuff. HP isn't as big of a concern with a low range.
Though i do want a 3pt blower for it. I would get a Zero turn for mowing if i went with a 4000 or 500 series machine.

How do you like your 3X20?
I have been looking at those also and just on Deere's page the 3320 is 10K less than the 4320 both with same setup. that's a huge jump.

Is the 3000 series a pretty big step up from the 2000 series as far as front end and rear and heaviness? I've taken out some seals on my front end of of the 2520 trying to over work the loader. And i would like a bit more weight for pulling stuff.

I wouldn't be apposed to a 3320 Cab I might have to test one out maybe it's bigger than i'm thinking next to the 2520. I've only seen the 4000 series and 2000 series next to each other.

Will my 62D deck go under a 3000 series this would also make me lean that way. See as i wouldn't have to buy a Zero turn.

I know is seems like my questions are all over the place just wanting to be sure i get the right machine for me. I would love a 5083E but that's a lot of tractor for a small 15 acre place. All i know is the 2520 is not enough machine.

Thanks for all the help.
 
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The 5083E cab tractor is a very big machine... you need significant real estate just to turn around and back the thing up! :eek:

You haven't detailed just exactly you're doing or plan to do on your 15 acres. If you're not into hay production or ag work - I'm not certain that you wouldn't do just fine with a 3000 series machine.

The 300CX loader is very nearly twice the loader that the 200CX is - around 1,500lbs capacity. The 400CX is another 1,000lbs beyond the 300CX. If you're thinking 5000 series; the 563 loader is another 1,000lbs of lift capacity beyond the 400CX.

The 5000E series of tractors (not the limited's) are not a great deal larger than the 4000 machines - maybe 25% bigger. And you can buy one for about the same as you'd pay for a 4000 series cab tractor.

AKfish
 
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I can answer this one a bit...:laughing:
I've got a 3520 Cab, and my Brother has a Bobcat CT230

My honest opinions...
I like the ergonomics and refined-ness of the Deere operator station. Yes I fully understand i've got a cab and he doesnt..But even under the hood and all around, the Deere is more refined IMO...
Engine...Yanmar in my Deere is DI, his Bobcat is IDI...

My single biggest gripe with his tractor is I absouetly HATE the Treddle hydro control...obviously totally a personal preference thing.

BUT all that being said for the price he paid, I'd buy a B-Cat in a heartbeat myself. He paid less for his new Bobcat then a used 3320 would sell for...Resale, I dunno...its not something I consider as I buy things for ME, not for the next guy. But then again, when you pay so little up front, it stands to reason it would/should sell for less the 2nd time around.
 
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Thanks AKfish.
I've thought about doing some Hay but I honestly doubt i will so i think the 5000 is way too big. I drove past one over lunch.

the 3000 series is starting to interest me more. The loader is too light on the 200 series but if you say the 300CX is almost twice the loader that might be perfect.

Tasks i want it for,
Snow removal
Loader work dirt rock large rocks.
box blade landscaping

hauling large logs things like that. I'm thinking the cab 3320 would be a pretty good much. From reading it looks like the 2000 to 3000 series is a pretty large step in how heavy the over all machine is built and it looks to be about 25% larger which would be nice.
 
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A bit of history. I started looking for a riding mower in spring 2006. At the time all the JD stores downplayed the 100?? or whatever series and all they wanted to sell were the $5K - $7K riders. I got to the point where I needed to cut the grass on a property I bought - was too cheap to spend the $5K - $7K and just bought a Craftsman 54" that was on sale. So that temporarily solved the grass problem but with winter coming I needed to solve the snow removal problem. So I was looking at 2305 / 2320 / 2520 with FEL and practically everything else on the market as well. In addition to comparing equipment / test driving / reading etc I was getting quotes for various combinations. Everything seemed expensive.

In the midst of all this I found a used Honda 6522 diesel with snow blade - made the owner an offer and much to my surprise he accepted. So now both the grass and snow problem was more or less solved.

Somewhere along the way I decided I was entering a second childhood and that a tractor with FEL / MMM / Backhoe was required. I arbitrarily or otherwise set some minimum criteria. I wanted a 72" mower, FEL that could lift 1 cubic yard of dirt and BH that would dig at least7.5' One or more of those criteria eliminated the whole JD 2xxx series and quite a few models in the other colors.

To make a long story short, I purchased a 2008 JD 3320 / 300CX / 72" 7-Iron & BH. I used that for 3 years and it basically did everything asked, including lifting a 2,100 lb skid of tile off my truck. Granted it only lifted about 1" but I did get it off the truck.

So there I was happily mowing / digging / moving snow with the 3320 - hot and dirty in the summer and cold in the winter. During winter 2010 my son and I had to do some work where we borrowed a couple of big Agco cab tractors and then my son bought a cab tractor. I started thinking - heat in the winter is nice. Air Cond in the summer would be nice.

I started looking at my options and considered that additional FEL lift might be handy and priced out 4x20 cabs and 5083E Limited.

Between the second childhood thing and increased FEL capacity, I pretty much decided a 4720 Cab would be a good compromise, although if I recall the 5083E came in at a slightly lower price point.

I actually called the JD store a couple of days before month end and suggested we could haggle on a final selling price. He said that wasn't the best time and that JD often had better pricing in a month or so.

At the time I bought the original JD the Cab and BH were not compatible options. As I was looking around at all the above options, I had found a JD 3320 Cab with FEL / BH and made an offer that was rejected. However, the same day I called the JD store, the 3320 Cab owner called to say he had reconsidered and would accept if I was still interested.

I bought the 3320 Cab, switched my MMM to that unit and sold the O/S.

So to recap - I was very happy with my original 3320 and I bought another. Both have done everything I've asked, except for a couple of times where FEL capacity could have been greater. A lot of people say the 3x20's feel tippy - they probably do, but I put the wheels in the wide position, I'm aware of the limitations and so far have not tipped it.

I can't fault the 3x20, but at my stage of life, if starting over with a clean sheet, I'd probably buy the 4720 Cab or the 5083E Limited- not because I really need that much tractor - just because I think I'd like one.

Owners who have had both series could comment, however, I think the actual cab size is the same on both 3x20 and 4x20, so that is not a factor.
 
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Between the second childhood thing and increased FEL capacity, I pretty much decided a 4720 Cab would be a good compromise, although if I recall the 5083E came in at a slightly lower price point.

I can't fault the 3x20, but at my stage of life, if starting over with a clean sheet, I'd probably buy the 4720 Cab or the 5083E Limited- not because I really need that much tractor - just because I think I'd like one.

Owners who have had both series could comment, however, I think the actual cab size is the same on both 3x20 and 4x20, so that is not a factor.

I agree... that was generally my experience as well when I was shopping for a 4000 cab tractor or a 5000 cab tractor.

I can only believe that the high cost (relative to available Hp) of the cab 4000 machines versus the 5000 Limited cab machines has got to be DEMAND. Deere can sell the cab 4000 machines for a "Princely sum" because folk's will pay it!!

I went one step further up the food chain and bought a cab, 5075M. My neighbor has a 66 hp model 4720 cab tractor with 400CX loader and optional rear hydraulics. It really is a sweet machine!

But, for just a few thousand more I got a significantly more capable machine for my hay operation. If I wasn't planning to work with big round bales and a 10 square bale grapple loader - I would have bought the 4720.

AKfish
 
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I recommend you give the 4520 cab tractor consideration, I went thru the same concerns in 2009 and finally settled for the 4520, very happy with it. I preferred the planetary rear axle, larger tires, wider stance and 50 pto hp size. Moving from a 3520 to a 4520 is a substancial increase in size and hp. I suspect the 4520 will handle the largest Cat 1 implements far better than a 3520 can. The real difference between the two tractors is about $8500.

Good Luck with your decision.
 
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The real difference between the two tractors is about $8500.

You know what they say about $8500 and 20 years later... not very much. ;)

AKfish
 
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OK BlackRaptor, that was easy.
The votes are in. Sure is fun spending other peoples money.

It's your choice now - 4520 or 4720..................
 
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Ha-ha
spending other peoples money is great.

I agree with everyone. If i'm going to spend the money I should step up to the machine that's going to fit my needs long term not just right now.

4X20 series I think it is.
I am going to take a 5083E for a spin (for fun) but It's just too much machine i'm not going to be pulling anything that needs that extra size.

Going to see if any of my local dealers have any cab 4X20 machines with a loader i can try out. Not freezing my rear end off in the winter sounds really nice. I clear out two different places with the 2520 that are 2 miles apart that's a long cold cold drive in Jan when the wind chill temp is -15. Did that once a week all winter.
 
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I have a 3320, 2720 ( my giant lawnmower) and a Kioti CK27HST. All of them are good machines. The Deere's are more refined and I like running them more. Deere's eHydro is much nicer, the turning radius is better, and the controls are more refined.

The jump from 4720 to 5083e is a small one, but the size difference and maneuvering space is significantly different. I suspect for you the 5083e would be massive overkill. I have a similarly sized NH and around the house and barn it is bloody huge. I would look at the 4520 instead, maybe even the 4320. The hp will not affect your loader capacity. Realistically assess your hp needs. We always advocate bigger is better here, but pragmatically, it may not be needed.

I have played with the bigger Kioti's quite a bit, there good, and a bargain in price. I think they are solid, but having run the competing Deere's, I will continue to favor them, I think they are much nicer- especially if you get the cab.
 
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I think the 4320 cab is perfect for me. 48hp is enough for everything i want to do.
Anyone know ball park what my machine is worth on trade
2520 200cx loader 62D deck mower 205 hours.

Also is 15-20% off MSRP what i should expect?
for instance on Deere I built a 4320 Cab with 400X loader for 42,000 ouch haha. so i should see a 15-20% discount off this.
I'm going to get a hard number from them before even bringing the 2520 tractor into the conversation.
 
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Sorry for bumping i normally don't like doing this but.

Anyone have any info on my trade questions and how many % off msrp i should expect?
 
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Sorry for bumping i normally don't like doing this but.

Anyone have any info on my trade questions and how many % off msrp i should expect?

I just closed a deal on a cab model 5075M with loader and HD rear blade. Around 16% below MSRP. I dealt with another dealer that was a bit lower in price, too. I did not go with the lowest price for reason's of shipping and logistics, etc.

IIRC - the discount on the bigger iron is not as large as the smaller machines. However, IMO - it's not unrealistic to shoot for at least that and you might just find that with the economy and such, that dealer's might even be a little hungrier....

Can't speak to your trade-in value. Some research on machinefinder, fastline, tractorhouse, etc. will give you some "ballpark" prices, though.

AKfish
 
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Thanks for the info.
Gives me a bit of a reference going in.
I have 4 competing John Deere dealers within an hour of me.
I'll pool all three. hopefully get 15+% off MSRP.
Thanks again everyone for the help.
 
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Thanks for the info.
Gives me a bit of a reference going in.
I have 4 competing John Deere dealers within an hour of me.
I'll pool all three. hopefully get 15+% off MSRP.
Thanks again everyone for the help.

Don't overlook that you can get ePto on the 4520; think of it as opting for the 'optional overdrive' as if you were buying a new car.
Not too much price difference; I think it will pay for itself in fuel savings over a lifetime of use. Probable higher trade-in value as well.

Vince
 
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I have a 3520 and am strongly considering a 5083E. I went looking for an open station 5000 series with a Power Reverser, but you have to go to a 5065M and that is more expensive than the 5083E Limited with a cab. I know the M series is more user friendly, but I don't mind pulling levers and such vs no A/C and push buttons.

My John Deere dealer told me that the reason the 4000 series were the same or more than the 5000 series is because they have the ehydro and 60 hp. Makes sense, the ehydro is the best option I have on my 3520. And for the record, I like the two pedals much better than the heel toe hydro of Kubota and NH. Just my opinion.

The dealer here shot me 26950 and my 3520 with a 300X loader, Michelin Radial tires and 138hours on it. 0%for 72 months for the 5083E, and a 553 loader with an 84 inch bucket and 2 sets of hydraulics in the rear. Not sure how good a deal that is, but I have not had a better one yet.

What do you guys think? He is allowing me 18K on my 3520
 

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