4110 VS. 4210 ????

Steamynachos · Apr 17, 2005

Hi all I just bought a acreage with 5 acres most of it is grass so I need a MMM but also 1 1/2 acres is fenced for horses and I am going to be renting out the space for horse boarding. Now I want a tractor for mowing the lawn, clearing snow in the winter now I live in Canada and we get some good snow up here /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif , and for looking after the horse pen and other garden related work? now my main question is would the extra horse power of the 4210 be worth the extra money? I plan on getting a FEL. MMM size? , and rototiller
this will be my first tractor so I want one that will do what I want and not be underpowerd or need replacing in 5 years

Marko · Apr 17, 2005

I have a 4110 and had it for about 3 1/2 yrs now. We have 2 horse (both or own not rented out). The 4110 handles all of the pasture / manure management duties just fine. I also use it for snow removal and general yard care. We have 2 arces however only about 1 arce of it is grass that has to be mowed and I have a small ride lawn tractor for that. Ground clearance is far better without the MMM plus I already had the lawn tractor. The 4110 serves me just fine , you might want to think about where you will be in 5 yrs and then determine whether the 4210 is the right choice also taking 9into consideration budget etc. I pd $13,900 for my 4110 with 410 loader R4's and loaded rears. I have since added both block and trans heaters for those cold winters. I have been very happy with it. Good Luck !!

Marko

beenthere · Apr 17, 2005

Welcome to the forum.
The two tractors are two different size frames, if I recall correctly. I think that should be one of your main decisions. Its one you can only make, IMO.

Storage, size on your lawn, weight lifting loads in the FEL, equipment attachments. All enter into the different size tractors. If you were debating 4210, 4310, or 4410, then hp differences would be the only thing to discuss, along with $$$. That is because they are all three the same frame size.

Good luck with your decision.

Steamynachos · Apr 17, 2005

how about the diffrence between a 4110 and 4115 then would that be a better way to go? does the few extra horse of the 4115 justify the $3000 diffrence?

Cliff_Johns · Apr 17, 2005

( does the few extra horse of the 4115 justify the $3000 diffrence? )

Ther are several other differences between the 4110 and 4115 other than a few extra HP. The 4115 has more hydraulic flow as an example. Go to the JD site and do a compare of the two and you will get an idea of the differences.

Cliff

jcmseven · Apr 17, 2005

Steamy,

You ask a very interesting question. The 4110 and 4210 are entirely different machines. The 4110 would be more compact and manuverable at the expense of some loader performance and ground engagement capability. I generally do not recommend the 4210 because it has so little engine power and torque for its size. The 4210 has about 14 more foot pounds torque than does the 4110 but has to deal with 1100-1200 more pounds of weight, BEFORE the loading of the tires and any implements (which are bigger) than the 4110. This puts the 4210 in a labor situation. If you can get by with the smaller tractor, I would. You can save some money and come close to the performance, just slightly slower due to the smaller attachments. The 4115 changes things a bit. I would not take a 4115 over a 4210. The price between those two swings the balance to the 4210. The closeness of cost favors spending a pittance extra for the larger machine. Clear as mud?

John M

bigpete · Apr 17, 2005

Hey, Cliff. Actually, the hydraulics, loader cap, and 3PH cap are about the only things between the 4110 and the 4115 that are the same. The 4115 is/has:

-Heavier
-More HP
-Longer wheel base (larger turning radius)
-Bigger tires and wheels

The 4115 will take a 72" belly mower and is better suited, theoretically, to push a slightly larger rotary cutter. I shopped and compared both very carefully and went with the 4110 because I needed the tighter turning radius. Of course, I really wanted the 4115 because it iis "more" of a tractor, but I think I might have jumped to the 42X0 for better value if I would have needed it.

Cliff_Johns · Apr 17, 2005

( Hey, Cliff. Actually, the hydraulics, loader cap, and 3PH cap are about the only things between the 4110 and the 4115 that are the same. )

Seems to me the engine is different too, isn't it. Different kind of injection or something?

Cliff

bigpete · Apr 17, 2005

That's right--direct injection on the larger 4115 engine.

JDGREEN4ME · Apr 18, 2005

I went with the 4115 over the 4210 due to weight. I know there are a bunch that feel you can never have too much but I needed to be able to tow mine about 500 miles round trip. At the time I only had a Ranger and a 5000K trailer and the 4210 set-up like my 4115 pushed me over the limits. If you do not need to be able to move your tractor or you have adequate towing equipment than that will not be an issue for you. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RalphVa · Apr 18, 2005

My neighbor has a 4310. He says it takes all its hp to come up the hill out back (100' drop, about 30%) with the bush hog going. Whereas, my 4010 with a little less than half the weight and hp (same weight as the 4110) has no trouble at all.

I'd say the 4210 is underpowered for its weight (2900 # vs. 1400 # on 4010/4110). That's the same weight as a small car but with about 1/3 the hp of even the lowest hp car (my 1983 Benz at 65 hp diesel and 3,100 #).

The 4115 is the only one of the 4010ish group with direct injection. Not sure how well it starts in the dead of winter, as my neighbor's is this breed but 30 years old and doesn't when it's really cold. Direct injection is more efficient.

Ralph

millsnhills · Apr 18, 2005

When you read through this the weight may be your bigger factor. If you do plan on using this as you lawn tractor "mower" you need to consider what the weight will do to your lawn. The compaction and the tire choice is something that will surely have an effect on your lawn. Do you have a spectic field etc to consider.

I have the 4110 FEL, 52" Woods Tiller, box blade 60MMM and other attachements. Have I needed more tractor, yes sometimes but do no regret the decision at all on my choice. The turf tires have served me well in mud and snow. Never been stuck "thanks to the FEL" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

No doubt there are always trade offs and it comes back down to having that list of what you would like to do with the tractor and realizing what you can do.

Steamynachos · Apr 18, 2005

Well my choice now comes down to the 4110 VS. 4115 the 4210 would probbly be too heavy for mowing the lawn and leave imprints in it.

LAXPatrick · Apr 18, 2005

I went through a similar search and ended up with a 4310 - even with spring's soft ground I don't leave prints. I'm running with the 430 loader and R4's.

LAXPatrick

jcmseven · Apr 18, 2005

Steamy,

I do not want to over-complicate things, or enourage your to buy more than you intended, BUT if you are debating at all about a 4210 tractor, I would look strongly at a 4310 machine. Our local dealers are anxious to get these fine machines moved to replace them with the incoming 3000's. Their loss could be your gain. I would honestly say that if you are looking at a 4210, I would not. I would look at a 4310. This tractor is no powerhouse as far as engine power, but on flat ground performs really well and has a lot of low end grunt and will do things that the smaller machines cannot do well. I have always been an advocate of going into the "meat" of a line-up to make a purchase. The 4110 is the meat of the small frame line up, not the biggest but not the smallest. The 4310 fits the same bill. It is close in performance to the 4410 but a good bit cheaper, but it is not so expensive to preclude considering it over one of your other options. It is more tractor than the 4210. It may not cost you that much more either, especially now. Finally, if you have concerns about mowing with this machine, don't. My 3720 cuts as well or better than my father's 335 and does not compact ground at all, with the r4's. Please refer to my post of the mowing performance. Of course, if you want to stay small, I would stick with the 4110. It's cost to performance ratio is more favorable than the 4115. Yes, direct injection is nice, but it is not the epiphany that we sometimes think. The IDI engine in the 4110 will do well for you.

John M

Steamynachos · Apr 19, 2005

See I have an uncle that has a 5 acre acrege also and he has a 32hp kubota not shure of the modlle # but he had a 20Hp kubota and traded it in for the more powerfull one. he says I am crazy to get a 20HP. tractor because it wont mow the lawn and do what I want with out bogging down. I tried to tell him I am not running a landscape company here. I just want a good little tractor to do the lawn and work in the yard with. thats why I originaly wanted a bigger tractor but bigger is not nessacraly better I guess. The 4115 I think will have the power and the compactness all in one package now to go price one out /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

jcmseven · Apr 20, 2005

Steamy,

Sounds like you have your heart set on the 4115. It is an excellent machine and you would like it. Please do me a favor, though. When you go to price the 4115, also price a 4310. If your dealer has both, spend a few minutes in the seat of both and take each for a spin. Measure them, both width wise and length wise. I bet you will find that for not too much extra money you could get twice (or more) the machine and that it is not that much bigger. When I went to my dealer last fall, I had my heart set on a 4115, but it took ten minutes to see that I could do a lot better for not a lot more. In my opinion, the 4115 is in "no man's land." It is a solid machine. It does not offer enough more than the 4110 to merit its extra cost. Yet, it costs almost as much as a mid-frame with substantially less capability. Unless someone has a specific need for the longer wheelbase, I do not see that it would be the right choice. My dealer says he estimates over 100 people have looked at the two 4115's he has on the lot, and none bought one after testing either the 4110 or the 4210/4310. In fact, the one I tested last November is still on the lot!!! Just food for thought.

John M

LAXPatrick · Apr 20, 2005

Having just gone through a similar purchase dilemma, I concur with the previous post. The 4310 wasn't any more money due to the deep discounts available. I looked at capacity numbers - 50% more lift capacity with the 430 loader, breakout in the similar range. Slightly larger frame pointed to stability and longevity.

The bottom line for me was when I sat in the 4310 - plenty of room, still very maneuverable, with plenty of power and capability for my current property and probably the next two! I bought more tractor today so that I wouldn't need to tomorrow. No buyer's regret whatsoever.

LAXPatrick

Green4Me · Apr 20, 2005

There's something wrong with your buddy's 4310. I traded a 4100 for my 4310 because it couldn't cut it with a 48in Brushbull. Took forever to do a little over 10A of pucker brush. IMHO The 4100 is a wonderfull garden tractor, but from a safety stand point it's just too narrow and too light to be used for other than yard and garden. Just because a rotary mower can be fitted on these little machines and the engine will spin it, doesn't make them safe. With 300-400# of rotating mass three feet to your back and only a little below your head, this isn't what I would call safe. Not even considering that most of the time these things have to be jury rigged to get the pins and pto to all fit on. I do not want to be a wet blanket but I am really concerned that someone is going to get hurt.
BTW I run a 72in Bush hog anywhere. The 4310 will mow circles around the 4100 and do it safely on less fuel/A.

bigpete · Apr 21, 2005

The 4100 is a wonderfull garden tractor, but from a safety stand point it's just too narrow and too light to be used for other than yard and garden. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Good one ...
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