4035 PST will not start

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Chris 3055

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Location
Adirondack Mountains, NY
Tractor
Mahindra 4035
Greetings everyone! It's been a while since I have posted here, mostly because my 4035 has been very good to me. Though I have hit a small problem. Last weekend I started the tractor while it was very cold. 10 degrees and less. It was idling in the barn at about 1500 RPM for 5 to 10 minutes. I slowly cycled the loader up and down, incrememtally, until it was moving smoothly. Also, curled the bucket several times, in the same fashion as the loader, until it too moved smoothly.
I put the tractor into gear and dropped the bucket to clear snow from the front of the barn while pulling out. Then I picked up the bucket and started to curl it to dump the snow and then it happened.... the stall. I figured it would. I attempted to start it again, and nothing. The engine would crank, but it wouldn't turn over. It wouldn't even sputter. I cycled what I thought were the glow plugs twice and tried to start it again. Nothing.
This was the first major problem I have had so I had reasearch to do. My first guess was that the fuel gelled, so i put some Diesel 911 (the red bottle stuff) in the fuel. I bought a new fuel filter ($48) and waited until today to change it. I did put the fuel treatment in mid-week and tried flushing it through the fuel filter with the attached pump with the drain at the bottom of the fuel filter opened and draining into a 5 gallon pail. I pumped through about 1/2 a gallon of fuel and tried to start it again just after this addition. Nothing.
Today I spent half the day changing the fuel filter, removing the highpressure fuel piping (which I blew out with compressed air incase there was gelled fuel in them). I re-installed everything then started to bleed the system. I bled the filter at the top and bottom. The banjo bolts at the filter to the FIP. Then the banjo at the FIP. Then I bled the cleaned out high pressure pipes at the injectors. It should also be noted that it hit 40 degrees (F) today.
All of that and still nothing. I attempted to remove the injectors, but couldn't figure out how. I removed a nut that is just below all three which allows a fork type bracket to move. This seems to be what is holding the injectors, but they wouldn't budge. I bolted it all back together and started looking up whatever else I could find. This is how I came to the conclusion that there are no glow plugs in this engine, but an electric intake manifold heater instead.
Now I am truly lost. The cost I found online for this heater is around $250. How do I tell if this thing is working? Should it have burned out after just 2 years (I have about 70 hours on the tractor). Dealers, is this covered under the 5 year warranty? What if it is working, where do I go from here?
Thank you all for taking the time to read my little tractor murder mystery. I eagerly await your input. Merry Christmas to all.

Chris
 
   / 4035 PST will not start #2  
Chris the only thing I didn't see in your trouble shooting was if you drained the fuel tank. Possibly it is clogged. I know on my tractor it is suggested in the owners manual to drain it, although I never have in over 600 hours of use.
 
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It sounds like you have exhausted the gelling possibility:) Have you checked anything electrically? Since your engine had already been operating for a while I don't believe you have a temperature (i.e. heater) problem either. My first inclination would be looking for a blown fuse, a closed engine stop solenoid, or some safety switch that's open. Since I have never seen a Mahindra personally, I'm sorry that I can't give you any specific advice.
 
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#4  
I didn't drain the fuel tank. I thought the treatment would alleviate that side of the issue. I added the diesel 911 into 5 gallons of fuel and then added it to my half full tank.

I have checked some fuses, the ones at left side of the tractor beneath the steering wheel, none of which had anything to do with the engine.

I can try and drain the fuel out today and start fresh. Don't know if I will be able to get new fuel due to the ice and weather right now out here. Next closest diesel is just over half an hour away on Sundays.
 
   / 4035 PST will not start #5  
Here's a couple of suggestions. First make sure you have 12 volts at the shut off solinold on the injector pump. I would not pull the injectors, I don't think that is the problem. Does the manuel primer pump on top of the filter get stiff after about 10 strokes, if not the system will not bleed out. There is a little reed valve in the primer that can give a problem or could have a leak in the suction line from the tank. I have had enough fuel line failures from the tank to the filter that I generally replace them when a 35 series comes in to the shop for any kind service.
 
   / 4035 PST will not start #6  
Before I read Dave's post above, I thought about the primer pump, and you hadn't mentioned anything about using it. Maybe you aren't bleeding the system correctly.
 
   / 4035 PST will not start
  • Thread Starter
#7  
UPDATE:

My dealer came yesterday and dragged my tractor away. :-( I will keep you posted once I hear anything.


Merry Christmas all!
 
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#8  
So. The mystery is solved. The dealer dropped off my 4035 today. The FIP solenoid blew up.
He explained that it shuts fuel off to the FIP when the engine draws to much?

Anyway, 60 dollar electrical part put me out of service. Back up and running. I had a block heater thrown on while it was there to help going forward.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Chris
 
   / 4035 PST will not start #9  
Are you running winterized fuel? If not, you need to from now on. If your fuel isn't 'cut' you will continue to have issues with freezing, gelling, etc.
 

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