4 in 1 buckets

[dardn]

is a Kubota 7800 big enough to handle a 4 in 1 bucket or is it to small?

 

[EquipmentJunkie]

I would say that the 7800 is borderline. Four-in-One buckets are slick, however. What model loader do you have, the LA402?

 

[IslandTractor]

I'd say the B7800/LA402 combo would be just fine for a light duty 4n1. Just don't plan on lifting any half ton boulders. For all purpose uses as a 4n1 there should be no issue.

I have a 60 inch WRLong 4n1 I picked up used and had modified for a universal skid steer mount. Works well and is much more useful than a standard bucket except for moving large amounts of material. I find I do use the clamp/grapple function but it is nowhere near as efficient as a true grapple. The dozer blade is quite useful and I also like being able to load the bucket by clamping rather than scooping. It is overall a useful bucket and I don't use my standard bucket.

 

[dardn]

Haven't bought the tractor yet but i really like the b7800. Wanted to make sure the 4in1 would work ok first. one dealer said i might be disappointed with
it and suggested getting a bigger tractor.

thanks for your info.

 

[amigauser]

WR Long makes some relatively light weight 4in1 buckets. I have been considering one for my B3030. When I purchased my RBG2 grapple last year the 60" 4in1 ran around $1500 but I don't know what the pricing is like now. I was told I needed to order a 60" to get a skid steer q/a type mount, the 54" model would not be wide enough for them to weld on the q/a. That was according to Nelson Long. If you want to do a pin type mount instead of q/a mount then you could go with the 54" and save some weight.

HJ2L

Hydro Jaw 2 4-N-2 Bucket

 

[POC]

What would I have to add to my tractor to use one of these 4in1 buckets?
I have a backhoe on the tractor too. Could I slave the hydralics off of those couplers?
Thanks
Patrick

WR Long makes some relatively light weight 4in1 buckets. I have been considering one for my B3030. When I purchased my RBG2 grapple last year the 60" 4in1 ran around $1500 but I don't know what the pricing is like now. I was told I needed to order a 60" to get a skid steer q/a type mount, the 54" model would not be wide enough for them to weld on the q/a. That was according to Nelson Long. If you want to do a pin type mount instead of q/a mount then you could go with the 54" and save some weight.

HJ2L

Hydro Jaw 2 4-N-2 Bucket

 

[IslandTractor]

What would I have to add to my tractor to use one of these 4in1 buckets?
I have a backhoe on the tractor too. Could I slave the hydralics off of those couplers?
Thanks
Patrick

Yes, if you have a set of rear remotes then you could use those to control the 4n1 or grapple. If you just have a power beyond set up then it would not work and you'd either need a set of remotes or a diverter valve for your FEL circuit.

 

[POC]

What is a "power beyond setup"?

There is a manifold that the FEL feeds from, and it has a hook-up that has to be changed around when I put the BH on, vs the FEL.
I don't really have a "remote" hydraulic hookup so to speak.
Thanks,
Patrick

Yes, if you have a set of rear remotes then you could use those to control the 4n1 or grapple. If you just have a power beyond set up then it would not work and you'd either need a set of remotes or a diverter valve for your FEL circuit.

 

[z0lt3c]

I believe the lift capacities of the LA402 are greatly under rated.

I recently picked up (with the FEL) a 800lb backhoe with a 230lb operator and i was using a 100lb skid steer qa adapter on my B7800 LA402 (with counter weight). I really didn't think I was gonna be able to lift it, but I did w/o any real struggle. I think the La402 could easily lift 1300-1500lbs when they report only 1000 lb capacity, much closer to what they list as breakout force.

What all this means, is unless you need to dump a load at full height, like over the side of a pickup or dump truck, you could probably run a 300-500 lb 4n1 and still have 1000lbs of lift capacity.

 

[IslandTractor]

What is a "power beyond setup"?

There is a manifold that the FEL feeds from, and it has a hook-up that has to be changed around when I put the BH on, vs the FEL.
I don't really have a "remote" hydraulic hookup so to speak.
Thanks,
Patrick

You are describing a power beyond circuit. You cannot use that directly as there is no way to control it (the BH has its own controls but a 4n1 does not).

You need to either install a set of rear remotes or get a diverter valve kit. Search on those topics and installation. Neither is beyond the capabilities of someone with basic tools and ability to read directions.

 

[IslandTractor]

I believe the lift capacities of the LA402 are greatly under rated.

I recently picked up (with the FEL) a 800lb backhoe with a 230lb operator and i was using a 100lb skid steer qa adapter on my B7800 LA402 (with counter weight). I really didn't think I was gonna be able to lift it, but I did w/o any real struggle. I think the La402 could easily lift 1300-1500lbs when they report only 1000 lb capacity, much closer to what they list as breakout force.

What all this means, is unless you need to dump a load at full height, like over the side of a pickup or dump truck, you could probably run a 300-500 lb 4n1 and still have 1000lbs of lift capacity.

The 402kg lift capacity of your loader is the weight it can lift to full height at mid bucket. All loaders can clearly lift substantially more than their rated capacity a few feet off the ground which is why you could lift the BH.

 

[That-Markham-Girl]

If i could intrude a minute, Please. You really need to think about the purchase of the 4 n 1. through personal experience, once you clamp to hard or while back dragging with the bucket open, once you hit something and bend the back, it will never work right again. I have heard good things on them also, but mainly complaints.
Just something to think about, this is the main reason we do not produce a 4 n 1.
Good Luck!
Melissa

 

[KennyV]

I bought this grapple a few years ago, could not tell you how handy they are as I have never used it, and I probably never will use it because at that same time I got a Thomas skid steer 4 in 1 bucket. I have used it a lot and find it will do anything I need to do with a grapple plus more.
Could never do without the 4n1 but could have done without the grapple. KennyV.

 

[IslandTractor]

I bought this grapple a few years ago, could not tell you how handy they are as I have never used it, and I probably never will use it because at that same time I got a Thomas skid steer 4 in 1 bucket. I have used it a lot and find it will do anything I need to do with a grapple plus more.
Could never do without the 4n1 but could have done without the grapple. KennyV.

You should try your grapple. I have both a grapple and a 4n1. There is no comparison when moving brush, digging up brush or moving trees/logs. The 4n1 can do these tasks but far less efficiently than a grapple.

Try picking up two logs or trees at once with a 4n1. Compare the size of brush load you can get with one "bite" between a 4n1 and a grapple. Try clamping to pick up a big rock with a 4n1 without damaging the implement.

There are many things a 4n1 is good for but it really is nowhere near as efficient as a grapple for these types of tasks.