3pt or Stand Alone Splitter

   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #61  
Never understood the problem with dealing with small engines.... I have them on generator, pressure washer, standby water pump, lawnmowers, log splitter and actually riding mower, once a year I change the oil and tune up on all units ....They always start when I need them when even after setting for months not used and don't even have fuel problems.... Only really issue was voltage regulator on B&S engine in riding mower killed a battery on JD riding mower... .Also on two cycle side, 2 chain saw's, leaf blower weed eater........ Lot cheaper to service all the little ones (maybe $40-$50 for fluids and filters) than one "service" on tractor (last service was $400 for labor and all filters and fluids at dealer) ... Also my 90 pound soaking wet 74 year old wife can handle most of these devices and cannot/will not operate tractor...
 
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   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #62  
I'd like to know what "having to deal with another small engine" entails to some folks? While I bought my current machine to do as many tasks as possible with the goal of reducing the number of engine powered machines, it certainly isn't a chore to deal with the ones that I have left.
Tiller
Lawn Mower
Generator
Log Splitter
Power washer

2-strokes:
Chainsaws
Weedeater/pole saw.

They each might take 10-15 minutes of maintenance per year.
 
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   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #63  
Like Mossroad, I have about the same list of small engines to maintain, not a bid deal. Likewise I didn’t buy my tractor to sit and gather dust so not that big a deal to use it to power a splitter.

My take after reading this how you handle the split wood on which is better, a stand alone or a 3 point. There is no wrong or right answer here.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #64  
Certainly a good quality little air cooled gas engine, kept out of the weather, should give you no trouble if you consider the implications with todays fuels.

It's the NOISE, that takes any joy (for me) in using them.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #65  
Certainly a good quality little air cooled gas engine, kept out of the weather, should give you no trouble if you consider the implications with todays fuels.

It's the NOISE, that takes any joy (for me) in using them.
Odd because my Chinese 6.5 HP (B&S copy) on my log splitter is quieter than my SCUT diesel cranking along at 2000 RPM...
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #66  
When my dad needs help splitting wood, a stand-alone can be quickly hitched to the truck and towed over there. When I was young, we had a splitter beam that would be towed to the location with a garden tractor, then it ran off a PTO driven pump bolted to the tractor. At that time, we were burning lots of wood and it was mostly very large rounds. One person ran the lever and the other moved the wood. For a while we had the pump mounted on the front of the tractor and was driven off the engine. I liked it as it had a 3 second cycle time with a 4" cylinder....scary fast. The oil tank etc would get a bit warm and also it was too fast for my dads liking, so we went back to the PTO.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #67  
I'm fortunate in that my in-laws purchased a generic 20 ton splitter with a 5HP Briggs back in the late 70's or early 80's. They heated with wood until about 10-12 years ago. That's when we started heating with wood, so they gave me the splitter. It was maybe 30 years old when the BS engine blew a crank seal, and the pull starter, and something else (can't remember). Repair parts were gonna be about $40 as I recall. Harbor Freight had the 6.5HP bolt in replacement for $99. No brainer. It works great.

It's only a horizontal splitter. I'd like to have one that goes vertical. However, I'm still pretty strong and have no problems building a little ramp out of splits to roll larger rounds up on the splitter by hand. I could also do it with the forks on my little PT425 if I chose to, but can always use the exercise.

I try and split about 6 cords per year. That's the most we'll use in the coldest winters. Last few winters were pretty mild. So may only need 2-3 cords this year.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #68  
Odd because my Chinese 6.5 HP (B&S copy) on my log splitter is quieter than my SCUT diesel cranking along at 2000 RPM...
My tractor runs at just above idle while splitting. Running any faster does not speed up splitter
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #69  
My tractor runs at just above idle while splitting. Running any faster does not speed up splitter
I've noticed the same thing. My tractor idles at about 1300 and is PTO rated at about 3000. After about 2300 rpm, the splitter doesn't move any faster. I've always wondered if there is some type of flow restrictor in rear remote circuit, but in an open center system, it doesn't seem like there should be.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #70  
Mine works the same at complete idle. Not sure why either.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #71  
My Kubota loader makes a big difference as for engie speed and oil being pumped. But Idle is good enough. Especially with my various RAM travel saving features like "log length" (not going back and forth over unneeded Ram length) and split cycle.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #72  
I'd like to know what "having to deal with another small engine" entails to some folks? While I bought my current machine to do as many tasks as possible with the goal of reducing the number of engine powered machines, it certainly isn't a chore to deal with the ones that I have left.
Tiller
Lawn Mower
Generator
Log Splitter
Power washer

2-strokes:
Chainsaws
Weedeater/pole saw.

They each might take 10-15 minutes of maintenance per year.

I can only speak for myself here, but it usually goes something liike this (keep in mind most stuff is stored outdoors as the machine tools and woodworking tools take up the valuable shop space, exception made for the pressure washer to avoid freezing).

Time to start the generator just to give it a workout as it hasnt had a legitimate reason to run in over a year... battery is dead because i didnt put it on a charger or use it for a year.... let me just pull this cord... great that broke because it dry rotted from sitting outside in the sun and rain. Lets just go ahead and fix those two issues. Now lets get it started cough sputter (this is a HONDA generator with a Honda motor).... looks like the ethanol free gasoline has done its job keep the water seperate from the fuel, but because it was outside for a year (completely full of fuel) the humidity still got in there and now the bottom of the tank and carb bowl have a distinct showing of water in the bottom of the fuel and need draining. Now that weve dumped and refilled that with new fuel and cleaned the carb out were good to go... until you get it started and the smoke from the rodent nest is threatening to catch your appliance on fire, so lets deal with that now. OK so everything is back to good, lets run this for 30 minutes to change the oil, now that its nice and warm for the oil change lets begin by attempting to find some sort of odd shaped container and diy funnel that will fit anywhere near where the oil drains without pouring it all over the ground, and after youve got yourself a nice mess from that, dont bother cleaning it up yet, as the refilling through the straw sized hole at a ridiculous angle from 2.5 or 5 gallon jugs is usually a clean experience (granted i could go buy quarts or 1 gallon jugs specific for this, or even some kind of pump?, but everything else uses over a gallon at a time and thats just another hindrance to have more containers of oil around).

So thats my experience 15 minutes turned into 2 hours, so Ill take the 3 point generator as the tractor is used constantly and doesnt suffer from these issues, the oil drain fits a normal oil pan under it and drains down straight and mess free along with the filter. The refill point is in a spot where a normal funnel fits and has a large enough hole that it doesnt overflow the funnel near immediately, and everything is at a comfortable working height to service (sure i could go buy one of those 500 dollar adujustable height work platforms that self lift the appliance to waist height, but now where am i going to store that?)

Now back to the splitter, unfortunately this backfired on me due to the very low hydraulic output of my tractor, and one with its own PTO pump, or a tractor with a larger output would certainly have alleviated this issue. However the electric motor to me was the best solution as it sits outside year after year and i just plug it in and flip a switch and it starts every time with zero fuss (any temp) and since its a TEFC motor theres nowhere for the mice/bees to build a little habitat. If the power is out or I need to run this in the woods for some reason I personally cant comprehend (I find it quicker and easier to skid whole trees out to the equipment than to drag all of the equipment out to the woods) I suppose I could use the PTO genset to power it.

Now on that note (energy), those small engines as efficient as they are, still use a fuel source that I cant produce nor realistically store much of (without it going bad before use). So I'm off to the fueling station to get another 5 or 10 gallons at a time which itself is a 30+ minute round trip and did anyone say cost... electric is 13 cents a kWh and I average about 2kwh for every hour of splitting with the electric motor. IDK what the little single cylinders use per hour, but im guessing more than 25 cents worth neglecting the fact that the V8 in the Tundra uses a couple of gallons just to go acquire more fuel if I happen to need it and the truck isnt completely or close to empty (aka just a trip to fuel the small equipment).

Maybe some of you have noticed the hostile nature to the oil/gas industry in this country with the cancelling of the Keystone, then the "cyber attack" on the Colonial, and now the Canada Michigan pipeline they are trying to shut down. Make no mistake this is by design and going to continue getting worse (I dont know that theres a good answer to this as the electrification of all things is going to require nuclear and lots of natural gas if they want it to work) As renewables ARE NOT able to supply all the current and future use, no matter how many wind turbines and solar panels you put in. I am an engineer for the power company and my job is to integrate these technologies into the grid and lets just say things are not all cupcakes and roses for renewables as much as they would like you to think they are.

Sorry for the long winded reply, but thats my beef with small engines and their 15 minute maintenance routines (granted not all nor every time is "that bad" but you get the idea for rarely used stuff). If anyone has a lead on an electrically driven genset drop me a line :)
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #73  
It's not just the extra engine to maintain. I like to keep all my equipment inside if I can. My three point splitter probably takes up 1/3 the space a stand alone would. I have it on a stand with dolleys which I can easily push around. Moving a splitter trailer would be a lot more awkward.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #74  
My splitter only takes a few square space of storage space. I too store all my stuff indoors. If I don’t have a place to store it, I don’t but it.

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   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #75  
I guess if you take the worst possible scenarios, combine them and put it into a narrative, anything you do could be viewed in the catastrophic view you are presenting, Goldenwing. Personally, I have experienced all of those nuances over the course of my life, but not in rapid succession. I have had the same log splitter for 12 years now, it sets outside and gets used once a year, and I have never had a problem in starting it. If my the gas in my can gets old I dump it into my car (to dilute it) and buy some new gas on the next trip to town.
I agree that we need to change energy sources, and the use of fossil fuels should be curtailed, and the electrical supply system isn't close to being ready to take it's place, and that is a big problem.....but I have a hard time understanding why that would enter into the discussion of the choice between a 3 point and stand alone log splitter.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #76  
I guess if you take the worst possible scenarios, combine them and put it into a narrative, anything you do could be viewed in the catastrophic view you are presenting, Goldenwing. Personally, I have experienced all of those nuances over the course of my life, but not in rapid succession. I have had the same log splitter for 12 years now, it sets outside and gets used once a year, and I have never had a problem in starting it. If my the gas in my can gets old I dump it into my car (to dilute it) and buy some new gas on the next trip to town.
I agree that we need to change energy sources, and the use of fossil fuels should be curtailed, and the electrical supply system isn't close to being ready to take it's place, and that is a big problem.....but I have a hard time understanding why that would enter into the discussion of the choice between a 3 point and stand alone log splitter.
I dont agree that we need to curtail fossil fuel use, and I hope I didnt come off that way, I think diesel is a perfectly working solution, gasoline has its place, but in my opinion thats last place. I did mention my beef with the 3 point splitter and hydraulic flow issue, and even posted a picture of my 3 point splitter converted into a 7.5HP electric splitter further up the thread.

This recent post was highlighting WHY I dont necessarily think that 3 point splitters on small tractors with low hydraulic output, nor single cylinder gasoline engines are the solution, there are commercially availble real electric splitters out there (not the toys that plug into the standard NEMA 5-15 outlet)... 20 Ton Horizontal Vertical Electric Log Splitter (HV20-4-2)

Sorry if I offended you by going slightly off topic or for posting a link (IDK if we are allowed to do that, it was just an example as there are others and I have no affiliation with that company)
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #77  
I guess if you take the worst possible scenarios, combine them and put it into a narrative, anything you do could be viewed in the catastrophic view you are presenting, Goldenwing. Personally, I have experienced all of those nuances over the course of my life, but not in rapid succession. I have had the same log splitter for 12 years now, it sets outside and gets used once a year, and I have never had a problem in starting it. If my the gas in my can gets old I dump it into my car (to dilute it) and buy some new gas on the next trip to town.
I agree that we need to change energy sources, and the use of fossil fuels should be curtailed, and the electrical supply system isn't close to being ready to take it's place, and that is a big problem.....but I have a hard time understanding why that would enter into the discussion of the choice between a 3 point and stand alone log splitter.
Yes you are correct, and I did say "not all experiences are that bad" sometimes they just work (especially items used more regularly), albeit loudly and with just enough torque to not stall (probably good for the efficiency aspect i suppose.. but so is electric)

However the fiasco of small engine oil changes still stands.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #78  
My splitter sits outside with a tarp. Started right up. Little rust on exhaust cover.
Oil change took 20 minutes. Hydro Fluid checked every use.
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #79  
My splitter sits outside with a tarp. Started right up. Little rust on exhaust cover.
Oil change took 20 minutes. Hydro Fluid checked every use.
Mine is similar. I put a tarp over it and lay a garden cart upside down on top of that. And there is sits until next year. I don't change the oil if it still looks clean. I do top it off if necessary. The only time it needed hydraulic fluid was when I wasn't paying attention and dropped a log on the back of the ram as it was retracting and that pulled the log into the valve handle in the retract position and it was all over after that as it drove itself and no stopping it. Sheared the valve right off the fitting and it was all I could do to shut the engine down without getting sprayed with hot hydraulic fluid. Yikes. ;)
 
   / 3pt or Stand Alone Splitter #80  
I can only speak for myself here, but it usually goes something liike this (keep in mind most stuff is stored outdoors as the machine tools and woodworking tools take up the valuable shop space, exception made for the pressure washer to avoid freezing).

Time to start the generator just to give it a workout as it hasnt had a legitimate reason to run in over a year... battery is dead because i didnt put it on a charger or use it for a year.... let me just pull this cord... great that broke because it dry rotted from sitting outside in the sun and rain. Lets just go ahead and fix those two issues. Now lets get it started cough sputter (this is a HONDA generator with a Honda motor).... looks like the ethanol free gasoline has done its job keep the water seperate from the fuel, but because it was outside for a year (completely full of fuel) the humidity still got in there and now the bottom of the tank and carb bowl have a distinct showing of water in the bottom of the fuel and need draining. Now that weve dumped and refilled that with new fuel and cleaned the carb out were good to go... until you get it started and the smoke from the rodent nest is threatening to catch your appliance on fire, so lets deal with that now. OK so everything is back to good, lets run this for 30 minutes to change the oil, now that its nice and warm for the oil change lets begin by attempting to find some sort of odd shaped container and diy funnel that will fit anywhere near where the oil drains without pouring it all over the ground, and after youve got yourself a nice mess from that, dont bother cleaning it up yet, as the refilling through the straw sized hole at a ridiculous angle from 2.5 or 5 gallon jugs is usually a clean experience (granted i could go buy quarts or 1 gallon jugs specific for this, or even some kind of pump?, but everything else uses over a gallon at a time and thats just another hindrance to have more containers of oil around).

So thats my experience 15 minutes turned into 2 hours, so Ill take the 3 point generator as the tractor is used constantly and doesnt suffer from these issues, the oil drain fits a normal oil pan under it and drains down straight and mess free along with the filter. The refill point is in a spot where a normal funnel fits and has a large enough hole that it doesnt overflow the funnel near immediately, and everything is at a comfortable working height to service (sure i could go buy one of those 500 dollar adujustable height work platforms that self lift the appliance to waist height, but now where am i going to store that?)

Now back to the splitter, unfortunately this backfired on me due to the very low hydraulic output of my tractor, and one with its own PTO pump, or a tractor with a larger output would certainly have alleviated this issue. However the electric motor to me was the best solution as it sits outside year after year and i just plug it in and flip a switch and it starts every time with zero fuss (any temp) and since its a TEFC motor theres nowhere for the mice/bees to build a little habitat. If the power is out or I need to run this in the woods for some reason I personally cant comprehend (I find it quicker and easier to skid whole trees out to the equipment than to drag all of the equipment out to the woods) I suppose I could use the PTO genset to power it.

Now on that note (energy), those small engines as efficient as they are, still use a fuel source that I cant produce nor realistically store much of (without it going bad before use). So I'm off to the fueling station to get another 5 or 10 gallons at a time which itself is a 30+ minute round trip and did anyone say cost... electric is 13 cents a kWh and I average about 2kwh for every hour of splitting with the electric motor. IDK what the little single cylinders use per hour, but im guessing more than 25 cents worth neglecting the fact that the V8 in the Tundra uses a couple of gallons just to go acquire more fuel if I happen to need it and the truck isnt completely or close to empty (aka just a trip to fuel the small equipment).

Maybe some of you have noticed the hostile nature to the oil/gas industry in this country with the cancelling of the Keystone, then the "cyber attack" on the Colonial, and now the Canada Michigan pipeline they are trying to shut down. Make no mistake this is by design and going to continue getting worse (I dont know that theres a good answer to this as the electrification of all things is going to require nuclear and lots of natural gas if they want it to work) As renewables ARE NOT able to supply all the current and future use, no matter how many wind turbines and solar panels you put in. I am an engineer for the power company and my job is to integrate these technologies into the grid and lets just say things are not all cupcakes and roses for renewables as much as they would like you to think they are.

Sorry for the long winded reply, but thats my beef with small engines and their 15 minute maintenance routines (granted not all nor every time is "that bad" but you get the idea for rarely used stuff). If anyone has a lead on an electrically driven genset drop me a line :)
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