3830 or 4330

GuyL · May 30, 2006

Hi all:
I would appreciate any advice on which tractor will be best for me. I have 7 acres, about 1/3 clear, 1/3 brush and other nasty stuff and about 1/3 timber. I started thinking a 3430 would be good, then after convincing my self that for a few bucks more the 3830 would be the perfect tractor ... now I am wondering if the 4330 would really be the best for my situation. I want a DT so at least I am not going to agonize over the 5030 /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Because my brush land is pretty rough, I would like a heavy duty cutter. And with the hurricane season upon us again, I am going to be running a pto generator.

My dealer, Star Equipment in Hammond, LA, has quoted:

3830, R-4, Kubota 723 Loader with QA 19,500

4330, R-4, Kubota 853 Loader with QA 22,800

I think the prices are pretty good, but am wondering if the extra HP and larger loader is worth 3,300.

Also, does anyone think there will be a noticeable hr/gallon change between the 3 and 4 cylinder engines?

Thanks in advance for all comments and advice!

Guy

GuyL · May 30, 2006

Hi all:
I would appreciate any advice on which tractor will be best for me. I have 7 acres, about 1/3 clear, 1/3 brush and other nasty stuff and about 1/3 timber. I started thinking a 3430 would be good, then after convincing my self that for a few bucks more the 3830 would be the perfect tractor ... now I am wondering if the 4330 would really be the best for my situation. I want a DT so at least I am not going to agonize over the 5030 /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Because my brush land is pretty rough, I would like a heavy duty cutter. And with the hurricane season upon us again, I am going to be running a pto generator.

My dealer, Star Equipment in Hammond, LA, has quoted:

3830, R-4, Kubota 723 Loader with QA 19,500

4330, R-4, Kubota 853 Loader with QA 22,800

I think the prices are pretty good, but am wondering if the extra HP and larger loader is worth 3,300.

Also, does anyone think there will be a noticeable hr/gallon change between the 3 and 4 cylinder engines?

Thanks in advance for all comments and advice!

Guy

FamilyFarm · May 30, 2006

That sonds like an excellent price if I understand MSRP numbers correctly (mostly from what I see HERE ). That would be roughly 80% of MSRP. I haven't had anyone quote me less than 17% off MSRP on any tractor.
Probably either one would suffice for your property. For that kind of deal, I'd go with the 4330 for any future needs to maybe be met with extra horsepower.
There's nothing wrong with DT if that's what you prefer. I think your resale value will be a much higher percentage of what you pay up front with GST or HST. Just my opinion from looking at used tractor sales on ebay and maybe I am wrong. Of course, if you never sell it, who cares? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Terry

FamilyFarm · May 30, 2006

That sonds like an excellent price if I understand MSRP numbers correctly (mostly from what I see HERE ). That would be roughly 80% of MSRP. I haven't had anyone quote me less than 17% off MSRP on any tractor.
Probably either one would suffice for your property. For that kind of deal, I'd go with the 4330 for any future needs to maybe be met with extra horsepower.
There's nothing wrong with DT if that's what you prefer. I think your resale value will be a much higher percentage of what you pay up front with GST or HST. Just my opinion from looking at used tractor sales on ebay and maybe I am wrong. Of course, if you never sell it, who cares? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Terry

GuyL · May 30, 2006

OK, for everyone's benefit, I just came from the dealer after testing both the 3830 and 4330. The 4330 seemed a bit longer and wider. Dealer says that the 4330 runs a little smoother (I couldn't tell the difference) and that I would be happier in the long run with the larger tractor. Dealer also said that the larger engine may actually use less fuel under load. The package deal for the 4330 is as follows:

L4330DT 4wd R-4 Tires $18,000
LA 853 Loader with QA Bucket $ 5,200
Single Rear Remote (installed) $ 700
Woods BB72 cutter $ 1,750
Woods 6' Grader Box $ 795
Bolt on Grapple w/ hoses (installed) $ 1,500

TOTAL 27,945 plus tax

Also, dealer told me about Kubota insurance. For $18.00/month you get a $250 deductible policy that pays fair market value, not loan balance, (important for me as I am putting about 25% down) for theft, vandalism, flood, windstorm and most importantly, accidental damage /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

However, if y'all think that the 3830 with the 723 loader would do just as good a job, I wouldn't mind saving the 3k. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

GuyL · May 30, 2006

OK, for everyone's benefit, I just came from the dealer after testing both the 3830 and 4330. The 4330 seemed a bit longer and wider. Dealer says that the 4330 runs a little smoother (I couldn't tell the difference) and that I would be happier in the long run with the larger tractor. Dealer also said that the larger engine may actually use less fuel under load. The package deal for the 4330 is as follows:

L4330DT 4wd R-4 Tires $18,000
LA 853 Loader with QA Bucket $ 5,200
Single Rear Remote (installed) $ 700
Woods BB72 cutter $ 1,750
Woods 6' Grader Box $ 795
Bolt on Grapple w/ hoses (installed) $ 1,500

TOTAL 27,945 plus tax

Also, dealer told me about Kubota insurance. For $18.00/month you get a $250 deductible policy that pays fair market value, not loan balance, (important for me as I am putting about 25% down) for theft, vandalism, flood, windstorm and most importantly, accidental damage /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

However, if y'all think that the 3830 with the 723 loader would do just as good a job, I wouldn't mind saving the 3k. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Doc_Bob · May 30, 2006

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Also, dealer told me about Kubota insurance. For $18.00/month you get a $250 deductible policy that pays fair market value, not loan balance, (important for me as I am putting about 25% down) for theft, vandalism, flood, windstorm and most importantly, accidental damage /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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Does the insurance cover you if you tractor is not on your property?????
Bob

Doc_Bob · May 30, 2006

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Also, dealer told me about Kubota insurance. For $18.00/month you get a $250 deductible policy that pays fair market value, not loan balance, (important for me as I am putting about 25% down) for theft, vandalism, flood, windstorm and most importantly, accidental damage /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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Does the insurance cover you if you tractor is not on your property?????
Bob

Bob_Young · May 30, 2006

That looks like a very nice package, GuyL. Don't forget to get the rear tires filled; at least I would. What kind of tires...R1s?

I can't speak on the Grand L prices. That may be a great deal, but I wouldn't know. I do know that the L4400 basic tractor has the same engine as the L4330 and probably goes for a few thousand less. People have been posting $19K prices for L4400 with FEL (dunno 'bout the QA bucket tho).

The L4400 has a rather basic 8 speed forward/4 reverse gear transmission; but if you're going 4330DT and not GST or HST, it wouldn't be much of a step down. The L4400 lacks the bells and whistles and its loader isn't quite as strong as the LA853; but it's a good value.

I've got the L4300, predecessor to the L4400; very similar except for transmission. It has plenty of power but is a bit light. Filled rears are required to put the power to work.

Before committing you might want to get a quote on the L4400 and ask your salesman his opinion. You might be able to get L4330 power at the L3830 price.
FWIW
Bob

Bob_Young · May 30, 2006

That looks like a very nice package, GuyL. Don't forget to get the rear tires filled; at least I would. What kind of tires...R1s?

I can't speak on the Grand L prices. That may be a great deal, but I wouldn't know. I do know that the L4400 basic tractor has the same engine as the L4330 and probably goes for a few thousand less. People have been posting $19K prices for L4400 with FEL (dunno 'bout the QA bucket tho).

The L4400 has a rather basic 8 speed forward/4 reverse gear transmission; but if you're going 4330DT and not GST or HST, it wouldn't be much of a step down. The L4400 lacks the bells and whistles and its loader isn't quite as strong as the LA853; but it's a good value.

I've got the L4300, predecessor to the L4400; very similar except for transmission. It has plenty of power but is a bit light. Filled rears are required to put the power to work.

Before committing you might want to get a quote on the L4400 and ask your salesman his opinion. You might be able to get L4330 power at the L3830 price.
FWIW
Bob

GuyL · May 30, 2006

Bob:
Again this is what the dealer says, the insurance covers wherever the tractor is. This is where (dealer says) I might have a proplem with my homeowners coverage. I have asked homeowners insurance for a quote and coverage this afternoon. I will post response. The Kubota plan is underwritten by the Chubb Group, which in my experience, is a reputable insurance company.

Guy

GuyL · May 30, 2006

Bob:
Again this is what the dealer says, the insurance covers wherever the tractor is. This is where (dealer says) I might have a proplem with my homeowners coverage. I have asked homeowners insurance for a quote and coverage this afternoon. I will post response. The Kubota plan is underwritten by the Chubb Group, which in my experience, is a reputable insurance company.

Guy

InlineDieselFan · May 30, 2006

Guy I wish I had your dilemma, I wanted a 5030 but no where near the funds, I wish I would have had the money for the 3830 even, but then I settled on a 3130 (the 3400 and 4400 were not out yet). The dealer had a 'last year model 3430 that he let me have at the last year price, so I got my 3430 at the 3130 price.

If you have the money I do not think you will ever be sorry buying too large of a tractor, but you can certainly be sorry buying too small of a tractor, get the 4330!

steve

InlineDieselFan · May 30, 2006

Guy I wish I had your dilemma, I wanted a 5030 but no where near the funds, I wish I would have had the money for the 3830 even, but then I settled on a 3130 (the 3400 and 4400 were not out yet). The dealer had a 'last year model 3430 that he let me have at the last year price, so I got my 3430 at the 3130 price.

If you have the money I do not think you will ever be sorry buying too large of a tractor, but you can certainly be sorry buying too small of a tractor, get the 4330!

steve

Doc_Bob · May 30, 2006

( Bob:
Again this is what the dealer says, the insurance covers wherever the tractor is. This is where (dealer says) I might have a proplem with my homeowners coverage. I have asked homeowners insurance for a quote and coverage this afternoon. I will post response. The Kubota plan is underwritten by the Chubb Group, which in my experience, is a reputable insurance company.

Guy )

Did the dealer give you a sample of the policy? I look forward to what your homeowners tells you.
Bob

Doc_Bob · May 30, 2006

( Bob:
Again this is what the dealer says, the insurance covers wherever the tractor is. This is where (dealer says) I might have a proplem with my homeowners coverage. I have asked homeowners insurance for a quote and coverage this afternoon. I will post response. The Kubota plan is underwritten by the Chubb Group, which in my experience, is a reputable insurance company.

Guy )

Did the dealer give you a sample of the policy? I look forward to what your homeowners tells you.
Bob

Runk · May 31, 2006

I went thru the same question a year and a half ago.
Glad I got the 4330.
Glad I got the bigger loader. With 4in1 bucket. Super versatile.
Glad I got TnT for box blade. Repeat, get TnT.....
My homeowners ins wouldnt cover the tractor so went with Kubota based upon what my salesperson told me and the policy has wound up costing much more than I was told. (Maybe I misunderstood).
Be sure you are clear on the cost of the insurance.
My tractor has the GST and am very glad for that too...from what I have read the 4330 HST is low on power.
Good luck, and have fun with your new toy!!

Runk · May 31, 2006

I went thru the same question a year and a half ago.
Glad I got the 4330.
Glad I got the bigger loader. With 4in1 bucket. Super versatile.
Glad I got TnT for box blade. Repeat, get TnT.....
My homeowners ins wouldnt cover the tractor so went with Kubota based upon what my salesperson told me and the policy has wound up costing much more than I was told. (Maybe I misunderstood).
Be sure you are clear on the cost of the insurance.
My tractor has the GST and am very glad for that too...from what I have read the 4330 HST is low on power.
Good luck, and have fun with your new toy!!

Ob1kubota · May 31, 2006

Mr Guyl get the 4330 now before the interest rates go up and don't bother with the Kubota Insurance either. It's a third party firm only looking at your premium dollars. Your home owners will cover your contractual need with Kubota Finance.
I had four Kubotas under water in 2003, I was able to get all four running within hours after the flash flood. Worry not in Hammond your out of the soup Brother. A 4330 is not going to float or blow away. Worse case you will loose your seat, ignition switch ( if we have a Cane pull your battery) alternator, starter solenoid will need reworked. All this (if) it happens is way cheaper than those extra premiums for years. In fact my Dealer talked it down on my new M9540 and my State Farm agent had no problem with another Kubota. The price is right! and the DT is the only way to go with what you need to do. R-4????????? You might want to discuss this further.

Ob1kubota · May 31, 2006

Mr Guyl get the 4330 now before the interest rates go up and don't bother with the Kubota Insurance either. It's a third party firm only looking at your premium dollars. Your home owners will cover your contractual need with Kubota Finance.
I had four Kubotas under water in 2003, I was able to get all four running within hours after the flash flood. Worry not in Hammond your out of the soup Brother. A 4330 is not going to float or blow away. Worse case you will loose your seat, ignition switch ( if we have a Cane pull your battery) alternator, starter solenoid will need reworked. All this (if) it happens is way cheaper than those extra premiums for years. In fact my Dealer talked it down on my new M9540 and my State Farm agent had no problem with another Kubota. The price is right! and the DT is the only way to go with what you need to do. R-4????????? You might want to discuss this further.