3644 R-Series Information

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lowAL

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Newbie here - been researching CUT's for about 8-9 weeks. Been all over the board....... tested MF's & Kubota's. Just about pulled the trigger on a 3130 Kubota HST. Montana has my attention right now. Rode by a local dealer to see what he had on his lot ( carries Farm Trac and Montana's). It was Sat eve so he was closed but I could see some of this inventory through the fence. It was getting dark but it looked like a 3644 ? was one of the models that got my attention. Have not been able to get any particular information on the R-series......... Montana's website didn't list them.(what's up with that?) Looked on some of the dealers site too but didn't find anything there either.

Anyway, thought somebody here may have some firsthand. I will be calling my local dealer tomorrow (Monday). He should be able to give me details.

What's the best term on 0% financing..... R's getting any 48 or 60 mos?

Thanks in advance for any information.

lowAL
 
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Hello lowAL,

I have about 6 R-Series in. The web site does have them listed and the specs are there for each model. Take another look at the web site. In any case, that is a nice tractor. I would drive it. The only thing is the 3644 is a shuttle. There is a 3644HST available as well.

Good luck.

Maka
 
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I happened to stop by a Montana dealer today. I looked at the 3644HST. I really liked it a lot. However, when I sat on it I found that the pedals seemed very close to the seat. Being 6'2" this seemed that this would not be a comfortable set up for me. Has anyone else found the tractor bot to be roomy? The sales guy said that these tractors have more room than most.

I really did like the dealer. They were the first dealer that really took the time to understand what kind of tractor I needed. Most others did not even bother to ask what I was using it for.

I was also a little surprised at the price I was quoted. It was in excess of $20K with FEL. Maybe just a starting point? I was quoted less than $18K for a Kubota L3400 HST with FEL, and 30months at 0%. I was surprised the Montana was more.
 
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It kills me when people try to compare the bare bones models Kubotas (L2800,3400,4200) to high feature Mahindra's, Montana'a, FarmTrac's, Kioti's, etc...If you want to compare apples to apples price out a Kubota L3430HST w/FEL and then get back to us.
 
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gamble77 said:
It kills me when people try to compare the bare bones models Kubotas (L2800,3400,4200) to high feature Mahindra's, Montana'a, FarmTrac's, Kioti's, etc...If you want to compare apples to apples price out a Kubota L3430HST w/FEL and then get back to us.
OK, here goes...I got 3 quotes on an L3430 HST with loader and R4's, none were over $20,000. Lowest was $19,300 and these were all over the phone quotes.
 
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"OK, here goes...I got 3 quotes on an L3430 HST with loader and R4's, none were over $20,000. Lowest was $19,300 and these were all over the phone quotes."

Now, add the upgraded LA723 loader, add skid steer option, add two remotes option, draft option, rear work light option and and and. The base 3430HST is still not an apples to apples. I prefer the 4 cylinder Mitsubishi over the 3 cyl. Kubota but both are good.

The Kubota list without adding the draft is now$24,883.00 see Aldermans for this. You are way up there over the price of a Montana that still has a bit more HP. So, now you know what to look for in a comparison and when you have that then get back to us as I am sure you will see a vastly different quote.

Maka
 
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gamble77 said:
It kills me when people try to compare the bare bones models Kubotas (L2800,3400,4200) to high feature Mahindra's, Montana'a, FarmTrac's, Kioti's, etc...If you want to compare apples to apples price out a Kubota L3430HST w/FEL and then get back to us.


Geeeeeeezzzzz gambler77. I really didn't mean to kill anyone with my post.

Maka, thanks for the information on the differences between the tractors I looked at.
 
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Your welcome IndianaEPH. I noted that MDM has not responded and he has been on off and on all day. I would like to see you own a Montana but if for some reason it is not the right tractor for you and the MF, or Mahindra or Kioti or Kubota or Branson is then that is the tractor you should get.

The person quoting the 3430hst for the price he was first off appears to know little about either tractor or he would have given you more useful info that would allow you to make a fair comparison. In any case, my suggestion is to drive both, see what features both offer standard and then what is optional, look at the specs and get a feel for the dealers and make an informed decision.

You are on the right track and if you have any questions I am happy to do what I can.

Thanks,
Maka
 
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No harm no foul...but comparing those two tractors is not fair and you don't know how often I see those bare bones Kubota's compared to higher end "second teir" brands.

You can't compare a Chevy 1500 work truck to a Chevy 1500 with leather and all the bells and whistles...but people try to with tractors!
 
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Hey, I was just stating the quotes I got for a 3430HST WITH the 723 loader. Thats all. I'm not a dealer, and I'm not trying to sell a tractor, that's why I didn't respond. I'm not going to spoon feed someone all the info that is readily available here. You can search and find all the info you will ever need. I'm sure the Montana is a good tractor. I felt more comfortable buying an established brand. There is a reason why the Montana forum sometimes goes extended periods without a post, they are a new brand with a microscopic market share - just something to consider. If they are around in 15 years I may consider one. Like I said, I'm sure they are well made machines.

I recommend using this forum to get all the info can, as it will help you make informed decisions. Heck, maybe after hours and hours of research, you will "appear" to know something - like me.
 
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MDM, my apologies for a bit of harshness. Gamble makes a good point on his analagy "You can't compare a Chevy 1500 work truck to a Chevy 1500 with leather and all the bells and whistles...but people try to with tractors!"

Here is where I stand on brands. Kioti has been around a long time, Mahindra a long time, LG/LS (Montana, Farmtrac) a long time. You refer to "microscopic market share " but here is where I stand on this. GM, getting killed, Ford getting killed, Oldsmobile (where are they?). How about so many dominant ag companies of years gone by that are now gone or Winchester and the list goes on.

The world market place is making changes and when you have companies like LG/LS who dwarf (in total size) some of the more recognized brands you have a committed player who will be around. Is Kubota good? Yes! Are they the best? Well, that is subjective and for each person shopping for a tractor to determine for themselves. In order for that person to make an informed decision they should have fair analysis and I felt you did not do that.

I feel the Japanese products are great but the Korean products are making a huge push to take some of the market and it shows in all industry the Koreans compete in. Their quality is equal to and more affordably priced than the Japanese products and you can now see it in many areas. LG takes more awards at the Consumer Electronics Show than others, Hyundai is making huge gains both in market share as well as quality ratings (JD Powers ranks them above Honda this year) in the number 3 spot behind behind Porsche and Lexus and the growth keeps coming. Why, Japanese products although great are simply overpriced in most areas in my humble opinion.

Lets take a look at Kubota, Honda, Toyota & Sony. Not so long ago they came in and you could get a great product at a great price. They were competing against the Fords, GE, Whirlpools etc. and were down played by the majors but stuck to their game plan and now deservedly are the major players. I see the Korean products now doing that. I see LG, Samsung, Kyocera, Hyundai, Doosan etc. doing the same thing and taking market share.

Hyundai sees room for more U.S. market share gains

both of this year’s changes reflect the growing sales and market share of the Koreans, who now sell more vehicles in the U.S. annually than each of the following: Volkswagen, Mazda, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz and Mercury, among others.

Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) 2006 - Setting the Stage for the Big Show - MSN Autos

Electronics and appliances once dominated by U.S. and Japanese are now Korean targets

LG, Samsung gunning hard for US appliance market

How about the Koreans in shipping

http://www.marinelink.com/pda/PdaStory.aspx?StoryID=203193

LG mobile phones hold the number 2 spot for U.S. Market share and Samsung number 3. Now, why all the different data. To simply show that the Koreans are aiming for the market with high quality and lower prices with very financially sounds companies backing them and that is a recipe for success as the Japanese have already showed over the last 30 years.

Since most of the "second tier" or "miniscule market share" holders are Korean manufactured tractors ie.... LG (Montana and Farmtrac), Kioti--Daedong (some Cub), Kukje (Branson) and TYM (some Mahindra and others) then there is no reason to believe that the Korean tractors won't follow suit to their other business counterparts. Koreans are here and they are here to stay and the market share will grow and grow. So, if you want a great product at a great price I would strongly consider the Korean products.

OK, this has digressed a bit on a small thesis on the state of Korean manufacturing and production quality but I think my point is clear.

Oh well, my advice stands. Test drive each, see what is most comfortable, look at standard features, feel for the dealer etc. and make a wise knowledge based decision.

Maka
 
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As I understand but have no real knowledge, the R series will for some time run in conjunction with the other models. I hope this is the case at least for the gear machines. I like the new R series HST all over the 3440 and 3940 however.

Maka
 
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Are the R Series still LG Products like the other Montanas? If so will Farmtrac come out with the R Series also? If not mabey that is why Montana dealers are starting to carry Farmtrac and vs versa?
 
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Still LG/LS. Just the newest models from them. I do not know if Farmtrac will have them.

Maka
 
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I have my doubts that Farmtrac will have them.
I have seen pictures of the new Landini & McCormick "R" series compacts, from LS

Chuck
 
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I just sat on one that was parked at a local feed store. What a nice feeling unit! I really like the cable operated joy stick for the loader control - Might have to figure somting out for my 3040 in the future.
 
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indianaEPH said:
I happened to stop by a Montana dealer today. I looked at the 3644HST. I really liked it a lot. However, when I sat on it I found that the pedals seemed very close to the seat. Being 6'2" this seemed that this would not be a comfortable set up for me. Has anyone else found the tractor bot to be roomy? The sales guy said that these tractors have more room than most.

My exact problem with the Montana. I learned to drive as a friend says very european, far away from the wheel, and could not get the seat far enough back for my comfort. After renting another make / model for a week, I had to pass on Montana due to the cab size... I think it may be due to the fuel location...

Carl
 
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indianaEPH said:
I happened to stop by a Montana dealer today. I looked at the 3644HST. I really liked it a lot. However, when I sat on it I found that the pedals seemed very close to the seat. Being 6'2" this seemed that this would not be a comfortable set up for me. Has anyone else found the tractor bot to be roomy? The sales guy said that these tractors have more room than most.

I really did like the dealer. They were the first dealer that really took the time to understand what kind of tractor I needed. Most others did not even bother to ask what I was using it for.

I was also a little surprised at the price I was quoted. It was in excess of $20K with FEL. Maybe just a starting point? I was quoted less than $18K for a Kubota L3400 HST with FEL, and 30months at 0%. I was surprised the Montana was more.
I also really liked the Montana tractor and was going to pull the trigger but.............. I bought a Kubota L3400 w/ a woods 80 backhoe.......... for less than the same outfitted Montana
 

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