3 questions

ToolManRick · Nov 27, 2005

Opps, your right. You did state that exactly. In my defense I claim you imply he should be able to do the same. If not, then why even mention such a thing. And BTW step 6 does not check disengagement of the clutch, just the drivetrain after the clutch. I would hate to see anyone get mangled by a PTO. Never grab or even thouch a rotating shaft or spline or drill bit or tire or fan or /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

greg_g · Nov 27, 2005

( And BTW step 6 does not check disengagement of the clutch, just the drivetrain after the clutch. )
Never said that either Rick. It checks for a maladjusted PTO clutch. Point being; if your PTO clutch disc won't let go of the PTO driveline, the PTO select lever is ineffective.

A condo complex I once lived in had speed bumps that limited you to ~5 mph. Big place, so it took a while to get through it at 5 mph - especially when this one nuisance dog kept yipping alongside at the tires. One of my neighbors decided he'd had enough. Stuck a towel in between the hubcap and the rim, then made a 5 mph circuit of the condo streets. Dog grabbed the flopping towel and locked his jaws. Never saw him chase any more cars after that.

//greg//

gunslinger101 · Nov 27, 2005

( ( , you have me confused with my uncle. )

Sorry. Guess I was just dazzled by the same charming demeanor. Must be a family trait.

//greg// )

Yup and thats a good thing.

gunslinger101 · Nov 28, 2005

( Point being; if your PTO clutch disc won't let go of the PTO driveline, the PTO select lever is ineffective.

)
So if the clutch won't let go you say the PTO engage and diengage lever is ineffective? If this is the case why is there a lever on the tractor.
If a duel stage clutch is hung engaged, and one moves the PTO lever to disengage, then the PTO is disengaged at the final output shaft.
Same if the trans stage of the clutch is engage, moving the shift lever to neutral disengages the trans. Parts still will turn, but are disconnected from their final drives.
Unless you are trying to be clever with wording. that dog won't hunt.
And if that was a attempt at being clever, you maybe put some newbe in a dangerous situation reading that &^%$.
Condo story is cute, better a dog than someone grabbing a PTO shaft splined or otherwise and learning not to grab it with the arm he has left.
Your comment about my family traits is not going to upset me, I consider the sourse and I don't feed trolls.

bluechip · Nov 28, 2005

If an implement does not stop running (eventually...no brake) when you step on the clutch, you can try to turn teh stop screw on the bell housing in a bit to see if you just need a little more travel, the best thing to do is to remove a side cover (loader bracket if loader installed) and make sure all 3 fingers are the same distance from the throw out bearing, and that the throw out bearing can get away from the fingers when fully released.

If the shaft just seems to continue to coast, without an implement attached, I will use the bottom of my shoe against the end of the PTO to see if a little friction will stop it with the clutch pedal all the way in, if not, than the clutch is not releasing enough to operate properly. I suppose a disclaimer needs to be made not to have loose shoe strings and if the shaft, and the paid professional, closed coarse do not try this at home stuff...

greg_g · Nov 28, 2005

( So if the clutch won't let go you say the PTO engage and diengage lever is ineffective? If this is the case why is there a lever on the tractor.)

Curious logic. Just because there is a lever, it must work. I'll have to tell my urologist that one.

( If a duel stage clutch is hung engaged, and one moves the PTO lever to disengage, then the PTO is disengaged at the final output shaft.)

Sorry, on a running tractor that is incorrect. If there are tolerance, installation, or seating issues with the PTO friction disc, it's entirely possible - even probable - that the PTO engage/disengage lever will be rendered useless till you shut off the engine. Sometimes not even then. Same if the clutch fingers significantly exceed the specified gap. The PTO friction disc can't disengage sufficiently from the flywheel, also rendering the PTO engage/disengage lever useless on a running tractor. And nobody wants to stop/start the engine every time they need to engage/disengage the PTO driveline.

( Same if the trans stage of the clutch is engage, moving the shift lever to neutral disengages the trans. Parts still will turn, but are disconnected from their final drives. )

Not the same. In fact, apples and oranges. PTO engage/disengage and transmission gear select levers are independent of each other. With a properly adjusted clutchpack, you can have the tractor transmission in neutral - and STILL have the PTO driveline engaged and turning. Think PTO shaft-driven log splitters, backhoes, pumps, generators.

Here's a thought. Go back up to the beginning of the thread, and try your hand at answering the original three questions. The whole idea of these self-help forums is for members to put their ideas on the table, then let the person asking the question pick up those they think may work best for them.

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ToolManRick · Nov 28, 2005

Your logic is correct Jim, at least with my Jinma. Maybe Kama's are set up different. Even if the clutch pack were welded into a solid hunk my PTO is disengaged when the lever is in the neutral position. Seems lately here everything is wording.

greg_g · Nov 28, 2005

( Maybe Kama's are set up different. Even if the clutch pack were welded into a solid hunk my PTO is disengaged when the lever is in the neutral position. Seems lately here everything is wording. )

No different Rick, I've worked on them both. Twice on Jinmas and one KAMA. Matter of fact, I've got an entire K400 series clutchpack in my workshop right now. Guess it just depends on who's wording you choose to believe. Curious though, you don't disagree with Chip. We are both saying essentially the same thing, just different words.

Besides, your clutch/PTO is not relative since it's assumed to be operating correctly. What I've been trying to identify is a method or methods by which TractorGuy1 can decide if he actually needs to worry about HIS clutchpack.

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ToolManRick · Nov 28, 2005

I didn't disagree with Chip because he's correct. I guess the logic of your post isn't as clear, not necessarily incorrect, just not the same logic as Chip and Jim have used.

Hope TractorGuy hasn't wrapped anything up on his spline. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

gunslinger101 · Nov 29, 2005

( I didn't disagree with Chip because he's correct. I guess the logic of your post isn't as clear, not necessarily incorrect, just not the same logic as Chip and Jim have used.

Hope TractorGuy hasn't wrapped anything up on his spline. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )

Ricko:
You are correct, I wouldn't beat a dead horse.

greg-g
if the lever is engaged the PTO is engage if its disengaged its disengaged.
anything other that that your so full of it your head hurts.

Chip:
You are correct, disclaimers might be in the future, many of these people didn't know what a PTO was until they bought their first tractor.Better a disclaimer or more correct information than a dead tractor owner. We both know if the PTO lever is disengaged, no matter what the clutch does the PTO is disengaged if the lever is functioning correctly.