224ws square baler

[Jdhager87]

Info on replacing the auger feed belt. I was looking at it and I could not see any tensioner on it. So do you have to take one of the pulleys off to put new belt on?

 

[Tx Jim]

You're correct remove the 6 capscrews holding sheave halves together. Belt tension is achieved by removing/adding shims between sheave halves

 

[Jdhager87]

And by any chance would you know the wire size that John Deere recommends for the baler?

 

[Tx Jim]

Baling wire for small sq balers built since the mid 1950's used baling wire that comes coiled in a cardboard box & it's 14-1/2 gauge in diameter. Several different brands are sold at Farm Supply business's & equipment dealers. One brand is shown in photo below.

Have you checked baler wire guides & rollers for grooves or stuck rollers? Baling wire isn't coated with as much oil as it was 40 or 50 yrs ago so back when I had a small JD sq baler after wire is installed in baler I always opened top of cardboard box & poured oil on the wire in the baler.

My small sq baler expertise is with JD sq balers. So if you have any questions feel free to ask me & I'll try to assist you. I suggest you get an extra bronze shear pin(E19994) item 3 in link below.

https://partscatalog.deere.com/jdrc/sidebyside/equipment/57401/referrer/navigation/pgId/63468

 

[Jdhager87]

Thanks. Everything else seems to be working okay. I was just cleaning it up and saw that the auger belt was on its last leg so it needs replaced. Thanks for the info.

 

[Hay Dude]

Thanks. Everything else seems to be working okay. I was just cleaning it up and saw that the auger belt was on its last leg so it needs replaced. Thanks for the info.

Great to have another hay baler here. Stick around, post pictures.
TxJim knows Deere balers better than anyone I’ve ever seen.

 

[Tx Jim]

Great to have another hay baler here. Stick around, post pictures.
TxJim knows Deere balers better than anyone I’ve ever seen.

Thanks for compliment. I've been using JD balers a very, very long time & I've never sent my JD balers to dealership or had a technician out on service call for baler. I have been called in the past when dealer technician couldn't solve the balers problem.

 

[beenthere]

Brings back memories from a long time back, used a JD wire tie baler in the middle fifty's. Mostly used twine and at 14 ran a baler doing custom-work lined up by the farmer I worked for when a kid. Pulled by a JD G, baler was PTO driven.
Uncle at that time had an old wire-tie baler that two men road on the back each side of the discharge and hand fed wire through a wood block separator to the other side. Man on that side fed the two wires back to be tied (thread through the wire loop and wrapped around). Remember these two guys had heavy layers of hay dust covering them in short order.

 

[5030]

Thanks for compliment. I've been using JD balers a very, very long time & I've never sent my JD balers to dealership or had a technician out on service call for baler. I have been called in the past when dealer technician couldn't solve the balers problem.

Knotters and proper timing can be a real air puller outter as the knotting sequence is pretty fast. Everything has to be in the proper sequence and operate in exact timing or they will fail to tie.

If I'm not mistaken, John Deere has a very informative video explaining the knotters in great detail, not sure if it's a sold item or on YT or what but it's a very worthwhile item to have because all twine knotters (don't know anything about wire tie machines and don't claim to) operate the same, no matter who builds them.

 

[Hay Dude]

Brings back memories from a long time back, used a JD wire tie baler in the middle fifty's. Mostly used twine and at 14 ran a baler doing custom-work lined up by the farmer I worked for when a kid. Pulled by a JD G, baler was PTO driven.
Uncle at that time had an old wire-tie baler that two men road on the back each side of the discharge and hand fed wire through a wood block separator to the other side. Man on that side fed the two wires back to be tied (thread through the wire loop and wrapped around). Remember these two guys had heavy layers of hay dust covering them in short order.

My first memories of farming were as a teen in the 80’s, walking next to a flatbed lumber truck in low gear, picking bales up off the ground behind a JD336 and a IH ’66. They were standard twine.

30 years later, I owned a 336. Funny how things come full circle like that.

Probably ought to move this thread to haying?

 

[Tx Jim]

Where I live until the last few years largest % of small sq balers sold/used are wire tie

 

[5030]

One thing about wire is, mice cannot chew it and break bales apart in storage.

 

[Jdhager87]

So putting on new auger belt do I need to take all shims out since it’s a new belt? Cause when I put all the shims back on and tighten the bolts that belt gets tight as a banjo string. I only took the back pulley off. The front one looks to have quite a few shims on it.

 

[Jdhager87]

My number is 918-605-4356. Ifin u wanna talk.

 

[Tx Jim]

As I previously stated in my 1st reply belt tension is achieved by """adding/removing"" shims between 1 or both pulleys. To lower belt tension add shims between pulley halves. Check you PM box for message from me.

 

[5030]

The tighter the belt, the harder it is on the shaft bearings. As with any belt drive, you always want a bit of deflection in the belt measured at the midway point. What that is in your case I don't know. All I know is there should be some. Maybe Jim knows, I surely don't.

 

[Tx Jim]

My number is 918-605-4356. Ifin u wanna talk.

Nice to talk on phone with you. If you have any more questions about auger drive belt or any other questions feel free to call me on the phone.

 

[Jdhager87]

As with you. All my uncles and cousins have died off that knew bout these old balers. They taught me a few thangs bier the years but sure miss talkin too em bout old farm equipment. I like visiting with folks that know this stupid bout the old equipment. Thanks for your time.

 

[Tx Jim]

The tighter the belt, the harder it is on the shaft bearings. \

I agree belt with too much tension shortens the life of the components. JD 224 baler didn't have shaft bearings but had bronze bushings

 

[5030]

I agree belt with too much tension shortens the life of the components. JD 224 baler didn't have shaft bearings but had bronze bushings

Even worse Jim....