2210/2305 Rear PTO broke.

[netwayne]

Wow, these rear PTO failures and expense to repair sound awful. Thanks for posting. I know I will now take extra care with use of the rear PTO. I only use a PHD and after my initial fencing project, I rarely use it.

As one poster said, I bet the tillers are rough on the PTO's.

Let us know how Deere responds. 6 months out of warranty for a known design flaw sounds pretty crappy if they don't work with you on the repair.

 

[Fixedon66]

I just had this happen this past week. I had a 48" King Kutter brush hog attached and hit a bent over, buried metal T fence post. (this is new land for me and I'm still finding these kinds of things) When I tried to continue mowing the PTO just rattled and kept throwing off the PTO shaft. Thats when I noticed the PTO attaching "stub" was not pointing out straight. I had a shear bolt in the brush hog but it didn't break; it went about 1/4 through. Off to JD dealer. Yesterday they called with a $5k - $5.5k estimate.

I bought the 2305 used with 160 hours. This is all on me but I can't believe two things about these units:

1. How can they be so brittle. These are Cat 1 PTO tractors. The engine didn't even stall on this hit. I don't think I've ever stalled using the brush hog.

2. How can the parts for this be so expensive? This repair will cost over half the value of this tractor and yet this is a very small part of the tractor itself. I question that JD is gouging users with high prices on parts that break often and are required to get the unit back in operation. Good grief! Sell a complete transmission for $2000 and be done with it. Labor would be less to install that! At least you would save money on that. Ah.... guaranteed labor volume for the dealers. Sorry, I should have thought of that earlier.

Sorry to be so cynical but this really has me ticked off. Will this happen EVERY summer?!!!

Thinking of selling the 2305 as salvage and moving to something else. Sad...

 

[ddivinia]

I just had this happen this past week. I had a 48" King Kutter brush hog attached and hit a bent over, buried metal T fence post. (this is new land for me and I'm still finding these kinds of things) When I tried to continue mowing the PTO just rattled and kept throwing off the PTO shaft. Thats when I noticed the PTO attaching "stub" was not pointing out straight. I had a shear bolt in the brush hog but it didn't break; it went about 1/4 through. Off to JD dealer. Yesterday they called with a $5k - $5.5k estimate.

I bought the 2305 used with 160 hours. This is all on me but I can't believe two things about these units:

1. How can they be so brittle. These are Cat 1 PTO tractors. The engine didn't even stall on this hit. I don't think I've ever stalled using the brush hog.

2. How can the parts for this be so expensive? This repair will cost over half the value of this tractor and yet this is a very small part of the tractor itself. I question that JD is gouging users with high prices on parts that break often and are required to get the unit back in operation. Good grief! Sell a complete transmission for $2000 and be done with it. Labor would be less to install that! At least you would save money on that. Ah.... guaranteed labor volume for the dealers. Sorry, I should have thought of that earlier.

Sorry to be so cynical but this really has me ticked off. Will this happen EVERY summer?!!!

Thinking of selling the 2305 as salvage and moving to something else. Sad...

That really sucks.

I don't miss my 2210


Might check to see if your insurance might cover it.

D.

 

[megotatractor]

Scary. I use a rear PTO rototiller often. I hit stones all the time. Maybe I've been lucky, right away when new I hit some steel bars which wrapped around the tiller and killed the motor. It was shortly after I bought my 2210 that I discovered the rear housing was aluminum and I was shocked. Does 2320 have the same problem?

 

[Deadman]

Theres a reason they make quality Implements with slip clutches! :shocked:

Its not cool, but stuff just happens...... Get yourself a slip clutch on that mower, and the next thing you hit won't damage the tractor. I just can't imagine mowing with no slip clutch, as I know my land, and I still find stuff to hit! :laughing:

 

[Fixedon66]

Its not cool, but stuff just happens...... Get yourself a slip clutch on that mower, and the next thing you hit ....:

Okay. Point taken. I'm new to tractor life so I'm paying the tuition but this is a steep price.

Anyway, is there a way to install a slip clutch between tractor and brush hog? All I know of are those built in the implement.

 

[kennyd]

Okay. Point taken. I'm new to tractor life so I'm paying the tuition but this is a steep price.

Anyway, is there a way to install a slip clutch between tractor and brush hog? All I know of are those built in the implement.

TSC sells then, as well as many other like Agri-Supply.
PTO Slip Clutch, 1-3/8 in. 6 in. Spline Shaft - 0271211 | Tractor Supply Company

Just Google "pto slip clutch"

 

[ddivinia]

A slip clutch might help but there is no doubt the PTO is lightweight in that series.

A must check on used units.

D.

 

[davkir]

I think there is a 2 year warranty on the 2305, any chance yours qualifies?

 

[Fixedon66]

TSC sells then, as well as many other like Agri-Supply.

Great! I have a TSC in our town. I'll check it out. Thanks!

I think there is a 2 year warranty on the 2305, any chance yours qualifies?

I've never figured out how old my tractor is. Would the warranty transfer to a second owner? If so and if it is under 2 years old I'd be looking at $0.

The good news is that I checked with my farm insurance (thanks to the suggestion of my wife and a poster here; in that order and this is covered under a rider for farm equipment damage. I am thrilled with my agent at this point for including this coverage.

I'm still getting the slip clutch before doing any more PTO work. I'll let you all know how the claim and clutch work out.

 

[ddivinia]

Great! I have a TSC in our town. I'll check it out. Thanks!

I've never figured out how old my tractor is. Would the warranty transfer to a second owner? If so and if it is under 2 years old I'd be looking at $0.

The good news is that I checked with my farm insurance (thanks to the suggestion of my wife and a poster here; in that order and this is covered under a rider for farm equipment damage. I am thrilled with my agent at this point for including this coverage.

I'm still getting the slip clutch before doing any more PTO work. I'll let you all know how the claim and clutch work out.

Congrats.

I bet you break it again. I would seriously consider moving up.

D.

 

[Fixedon66]

I bet you break it again. I would seriously consider moving up.

D.

Well thats not encouraging. But you suggested looking at insurance so I can't get mad at you.

I got this unit because the previous owner of the land had a Yanmar 184(?) that had a lower HP rating then this unit. He did this kind of work for years and I know he wouldn't have put up with these kind of repairs on an ongoing basis. I thought I WAS moving up compared to what HE had.

So what would you suggest one "move up" to?

 

[ddivinia]

Well thats not encouraging. But you suggested looking at insurance so I can't get mad at you.

I got this unit because the previous owner of the land had a Yanmar 184(?) that had a lower HP rating then this unit. He did this kind of work for years and I know he wouldn't have put up with these kind of repairs on an ongoing basis. I thought I WAS moving up compared to what HE had.

So what would you suggest one "move up" to?

Well - i guess one way to look at it is your insurance company would probably keep paying to fix it.

I had a JD 2210 and I was never impressed with the PTO performance. I never broke it, but it would spin a LX-4 mower very well. It was so bad, I would use the mid mount 62" deck more often than the LX-4. FEL was OK. Lack of position control on the 3 point was a pain also.

What all do you do with your tractor? Or plan on doing with it?

If insurance covers it, might make sense to just power on with the current setup.

I went up to a 4720 for tractor work and a Z-Track for lawn work.

D.

 

[Fixedon66]

I never broke it, but it would spin a LX-4 mower very well.

I assume you meant "...by it WOULDN'T spin..."

What all do you do with your tractor? Or plan on doing with it?

The whole property is only ~10 acres.

Horse pasture: I cut the weeds once the horses won't put up with them and more often in areas viewable from the house Clear underbrush where the tree line is encroaching on open areas and clear select trees. Pull trailer of cut trees after years of neglect. FEL great for piling up cuttings and keeping them moving to decompose quicker.

Garden: box blade to tear/smooth for some planting. Box blade also for gravel road upkeep.

Might use a post hole digger in a few years to upgrade some fencing.

Lawn: Use 54" MMM for lawn (liberal use of word) around house.

I went up to a 4720 for tractor work and a Z-Track for lawn work.

D.

And I bought this size thinking I could kill two birds with one stone. I'm rethinking this. A bit bigger in the pasture and a bit smaller in the yard would help but it was going to be out of our budget. I now see this plan as the way I'd like to move in the next few years.

 

[ddivinia]

I assume you meant "...by it WOULDN'T spin..."

The whole property is only ~10 acres.

Horse pasture: I cut the weeds once the horses won't put up with them and more often in areas viewable from the house Clear underbrush where the tree line is encroaching on open areas and clear select trees. Pull trailer of cut trees after years of neglect. FEL great for piling up cuttings and keeping them moving to decompose quicker.

Garden: box blade to tear/smooth for some planting. Box blade also for gravel road upkeep.

Might use a post hole digger in a few years to upgrade some fencing.

Lawn: Use 54" MMM for lawn (liberal use of word) around house.

And I bought this size thinking I could kill two birds with one stone. I'm rethinking this. A bit bigger in the pasture and a bit smaller in the yard would help but it was going to be out of our budget. I now see this plan as the way I'd like to move in the next few years.

Your right - would not spin it. Coastal grass can be thick, etc


You can probably get by but make sure your insurance will cover it again. If it breaks again I would get serious about ditching it.

3x20 would be great for your place.

Post hole digger is marginal on those sub cat 1 tractors. I forget the proper term.

D.

 

[Fixedon66]

You can probably get by but make sure your insurance will cover it again. If it breaks again I would get serious about ditching it.

I agree. But don't like the idea of pressing my luck with the insurance co. even a 2nd time.

Post hole digger is marginal on those sub cat 1 tractors. I forget the proper term.

As a matter of fact my dad bought a stand-alone gas-powered post hole digger so I may just borrow that when I take on that project. I can handle 1 or 2 here and there by hand.

Diamond D Ranch

So, is that you kissin' the bull? :laughing:

 

[ddivinia]

I agree. But don't like the idea of pressing my luck with the insurance co. even a 2nd time.



As a matter of fact my dad bought a stand-alone gas-powered post hole digger so I may just borrow that when I take on that project. I can handle 1 or 2 here and there by hand.



So, is that you kissin' the bull? :laughing:

I would ask about coverage. I don't know why they wouldn't cover it again.

Look at the smaller post hole diggers and see if you want to go that route - I wouldn't.

There are pictures of us building fence on our facebook page.

Funny - that is not a bull that is one of my favorite cows eating a "cube" out of my mouth. She is super friendly.

FL Rio Maxine

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When will your tractor be fixed?

D.


D.

 

[Deadman]

ddivinia: There must have been something wrong with your 2210! I had a 2210, and a LX4 mower. I could mow thru grass over the hood of my 2210 at full speed in low range. It would work it hard, but it never lost RPM, and it never skipped as long as the blades were sharp. I mowed my 7 acre piece of land in about 3-4 hrs like this. It was an established Hayfield and was also river-bottom, so it had tons of moisture and nutrients and grew super tall n thick. Seriously, my 2210 did it with no real problems, but I had to buy Diesel from the right place, or else it had no power. Some fuels were really weak in it! :ashamed:

 

[ddivinia]

ddivinia: There must have been something wrong with your 2210! I had a 2210, and a LX4 mower. I could mow thru grass over the hood of my 2210 at full speed in low range. It would work it hard, but it never lost RPM, and it never skipped as long as the blades were sharp. I mowed my 7 acre piece of land in about 3-4 hrs like this. It was an established Hayfield and was also river-bottom, so it had tons of moisture and nutrients and grew super tall n thick. Seriously, my 2210 did it with no real problems, but I had to buy Diesel from the right place, or else it had no power. Some fuels were really weak in it! :ashamed:

Maybe so - I am glad it is gone.

D.

 

[Fixedon66]

When will your tractor be fixed?

Didn't mean to take so long to post but the appraiser my insurance co contracted with took forever to settle this thing.

Parts are now on order and they expect the tractor to be fixed by mid next week. (~7 business days after getting approval.)

I've purchased a slip clutch at TSC and will get it set up this weekend. I'm open to suggestions as to how to test the tension on the clutch.