2032R PTO Problem

[Parkanzky]

I just hooked my front-mount snowblower up to my new 2032R for the first time. This is also the first time I've ever tried to run anything off of a PTO on it (either Mid or Rear). The snowblower mounting gear went on with no issue. I got it all hooked up, had the tractor idling and engaged the mid-PTO. The snowblower started up. Success! I slowly bumped the throttle up a couple times, and it stopped turning (I was way below the rated PTO speed). To get it to run again, I had to shut the tractor off and restart it. Again, it spun at idle and disengaged when I bumped the revs up a bit. A couple times, the PTO stopped just sitting at idle. The PTO light on the dash never went out, so the switch still believes I want the PTO running.

Am I doing something wrong, or is it time to call my dealer for the first warranty repair? I was looking through the manual in case there's some kind of safety mechanism I'm missing, but I don't see anything.

The timing is terrible. I was getting everything hooked up for the first real snow of the season, which is coming tonight and tomorrow.

 

[Parkanzky]

I just went out and did an experiment. If I move the selector to the rear PTO, with nothing attached. I can engage the rear PTO. Sometimes it doesn't run and when it does run, it will stop when I increase the revs. That's with no load, so there's something wrong with my PTO and I don't think it has anything to do with the snowblower.

Unfortunately, the dealer is closed until Monday so I think I'm out of luck until then.

 

[beenthere]

May be something to do with the sequence of events.

On my 4300, the rear PTO must be engaged for the mid PTO to be operational. From your description, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Other sequence may be the safety switches being accommodated in the correct order. Manual should spell those out.
But wish you luck in figuring it out before Monday.

 

[Parkanzky]

I have a lever that selects between rear, mid and rear, or mid PTOs. I'm having the same symptoms no matter where that lever is, so I don't think it's an issue with having a certain PTO running.

You're right that there may be safety switches that I am somehow neglecting. My 2032R has the reverse implement option switch on it, which you pull out to engage the PTO and pull further (and hold) to allow you to move in reverse with the PTO engaged. The snowblower mount comes with a device that disables that particular safety. The motor will still shut off if you leave the seat with the PTO engaged. I did try running it and pulling up on the switch the entire time, but it didn't change the behavior.

I looked at the manual, but it basically just says to start with the engine at idle, select which PTO(s) you want to run, pull that switch out to start it, and crank the throttle up to the rated engine RPM. I was really hoping that I was missing something.

 

[jgayman]

I just mounted the 54 blower to my 2720 this afternoon. Your 2032R is basically the same tractor (although with RIO). It sounds like you are doing everything correctly. It sounds like there may be something wrong with the RIO override that is causing the tractor to falsely sense a trigger or just an electrical issue with your PTO circuit. Like you said, this is the first time you've ever ran anything from the PTO. I would call the dealer PRONTO and get it checked out. It could just be a loose connection.

 

[Parkanzky]

I'm going to call them first-thing in the morning to see when they can look at it. On a positive note, hooking the blower up wasn't too bad at all. I think that I can switch between the blower and the loader in fifteen or twenty minutes. I was worried that was going to be a bigger ordeal.

 

[jgayman]

You are doing much better than me. This is my 2nd time swapping between the loader and snow blower and it takes me a couple hours. I keep thinking "Quick Hitch, what about this is quick?" Seriously, I think I just am being too careful. I tinker with the PTO hookup and always seem to have trouble grabbing the blower with the hitch. Last time the locking levers clicked right in and this time I had to wiggle it a bit. I store the blower on a wheeled wooden platform. Then I have to tinker with getting the hose routing just right so as to not have them damaged by the front tire chains, rub on the hood or rub anywhere else that will cause issues. Same with the remote spout control, I install an extra cable guide up at the grill guard to keep the cable away from the hood and away from the hot exhaust and of course the extra guide loop has to be removed during the summer as it interferes with the loader. What I need to do is take a few photos after I have things installed just right so I can quickly repeat the setup the following year. As it is it seems I am having to re-invent the wheel each season.

 

[Dutch445]

can you verify if you have the front pto sensor wire connected securely?

 

[Parkanzky]

can you verify if you have the front pto sensor wire connected securely?

You mean the RIO defeat that lives in the front quick-mount? I did plug that in and then tried it with and without it plugged in, and with and without the PTO switch pulled-out to the 2nd detent. I'm also having the issue with the rear PTO with no load on it.

It could very well be some kind of safety, but I don't understand the systems well enough to diagnose it. The dealer said that they'd try to send someone out this morning to look at it. I'm waiting for a confirmation from them so that I can run home from work to meet them.

 

[Parkanzky]

Just an update. They came out yesterday morning to look at the tractor. After playing with it, he suspected a failed microswitch in the parking brake lever, but didn't have a replacement in stock. He told me they'd have one today, and they called me at about 8:15 this morning to tell me they'd be here in an hour. He tore the tractor apart and replaced the switch, but it didn't fix the problem.

He went through the whole troubleshooting flowchart and tested everything he could. In the end, the only thing left seems to be the computer. The only way to test that is to replace it, so he's ordering one. The repair tech was extremely apologetic and seemed genuinely upset that they hadn't caught this during their pre-delivery inspections. To make sure that I was ready to deal with all the snow we just got, he pulled the blower and subframe off, mounted the loader, and turned the tines over on my box scraper.

It's frustrating to have a problem with my brand new tractor, but I feel like my dealer is doing everything they can to sort it out as quickly as possible.

 

[Dutch445]

thanks for the report, good luck with the new ECU
let us know how it ends up,
let it snow!

 

[Parkanzky]

They installed the new ECU Friday morning and it didn't fix the problem. They told me that they were escalating the issue to their corporate tech support and would let me know when they heard back. In the meantime, they wanted to continue working on it in their shop and gave me the choice of whether I wanted them to pick the tractor up that day or on Monday. I told them to leave the loader on and pick it up Monday so that I could get the drive cleared well this weekend.

A couple hours later, they called to tell me that corporate had gotten right back to them, their technician went back to my house and walked through a diagnosis with the corporate support on the phone. They traced the problem to a misadjustment in the reverse sensing switch. He fixed it, re-installed the snowblower, and I've been using it all weekend. I'm glad to have it working properly!

 

[jgayman]

Nice! Thank you for the final report.

 

[RBowes]

Where is this reverse sensing with located? My 18 month old 2032R has worked flawlessly until now - the PTO will not engage Mid/Rear/Both - light is one, everything is free and clear, the blower is hooked up properly. Thanks for the help,

 

[Parkanzky]

Where is this reverse sensing with located? My 18 month old 2032R has worked flawlessly until now - the PTO will not engage Mid/Rear/Both - light is one, everything is free and clear, the blower is hooked up properly. Thanks for the help,

Does it initially engage and then stop after ~20 seconds? If so, then it could be the reverse sensor. If not, then it's probably something else.

 

[beenthere]

Look to see that a wire didn't get torn off going to the sensor. That happened to my mid PTO sensor... which I don't use but had me baffled for a while trying to figure out where two wires went that were hanging loose. Am guessing a stick while brush hogging or logging out logs was the culprit. Hope you track it down.

The service technical manual for your tractor with a lot of detail info is priceless, IMO.

 

[RBowes]

Thanks for the help - will check the wiring again. It will not engage at all, certainly seems to be electrical

 

[GBDeere]

Finally! Found a post with the exact problem I’m having.... although an old post.
Where are these switches located?

 

[JD2032R]

Finally! Found a post with the exact problem I知 having.... although an old post.
Where are these switches located?

The reverse switch is in the wheel well of the back tire, on the same side as the forward / reverse pedals. It is accessible from under the tractor, but not very easily.

My 2032R is less than a year old, and when I pulled the PTO out to rototill yesterday - I had the exact same symptoms. (Restart tractor, PTO will run, but only for 10 seconds or so - and then it's done until next restart.)

Even though the switch sounded like it was clicking on/off properly, I was going to bypass the reverse switch to rule out an adjustment issue. When I went to pull off the connector, I was suspicious it might have not been pushed on all the way. So I pushed it in tight, and I was back up and running.

So - this thread had me back up and running in 5 minutes, and saved a week, 2, more? at the dealer that may or may not have resolved the issue on the 1st try.

Thanks!