2017 model info?

[skindaddy]

any info yet in the pipeline about 2017 changes for b or L series tractors? or when the new model year comes out not familar with it on tractors is it early like autos?
looking at a new one possibly and would hate to have something good change on them.

 

[jeff9366]

No, tractor marketing is not like auto marketing, where USA volume is 13,000,000+ units per year. There are no "annual" tractor product changes.

Several years ago most CUT tractor model numbers changed as EPA mandated "Tier IV" emissions controls became mandatory and a lot of expensive technology had to be added to >25-horsepower engines of all tractor brands.

Since then, few changes except introduction of the Kubota L2501.

At my local Kubota dealer the inventory of >25-horsepower B series is zero, because of the cost of the Tier IV technology. Most of that business has migrated to the L2501, which has less complex/expensive emission controls as engine is just under 25-horsepower.

 

[skindaddy]

i assumed it wasnt just like the autos, but still figured there are sometimes changes within the model from year to year (new features, fix problems, etc).

hoping to hear about revised teir iv technology being that alot of what you see is reoccuring dpf problems, if they would just cut the crap and add def to all that need it problem might be solved. but i doubt that will ever get down to the smaller models.

would like the extra hp but dont want to listen to tractor on higher rpms as much

 

[jeff9366]

My current model L3560 is very quiet. No increase in engine speed on my model.

Most reports are that Tier IV models generate two to four additional horsepower and have 10% to 20% improved fuel efficiency with direct fuel injection. (My L3560 gained two horsepower over the L3540.)

The problem is cost. My L3560 (Tier IV/Final) cost approximately $4,000 more than its predecessor L3540. Clean is expensive.

At 700 hours I have not experienced any direct maintenance costs relative to Tier IV appendages.....but a cost may come.

 

[skindaddy]

alright thanks jeff,
i thought some post i read stated you have to run higher rpm's alot of the time to keep dpf from filling requiring more regens.
just curious how long ago did you buy your l3560

so even though the chart shows a b2650 at 19.5 hp and the b3350 at 27hp your saying there is actually only a couple more hp than the other.
or are you saying the gain from previous equiv models was only a couple hp.

we have a b7800 with 500hrs we are looking to upgrade and wanted a little more hp , maybe even a little size too.

 

[jeff9366]

As you have a B7800 you should look first at the (new) L2501. They de-tuned one of the larger engines to just under 25-horsepower, but since the L2501 weighs 1,000 pounds more than the B series, you have at least as much, probably more, real world power.

The L2501 tractors with HST are considerably better set up than the L2501 gear models.

 

[jeff9366]

i thought some post i read stated you have to run higher rpm's alot of the time to keep dpf from filling requiring more regions.

Not that I know of. During the 16 minutes required to regen my tractor, every sixty engine hours, it does have to run at 2,200 rpm so the exhaust gets HOT. Some rant this is a waste of fuel. But during the sixty hours the L3560 purportedly gets 20% better fuel efficiency than its predecessor, the L3540.

just curious how long ago did you buy your l3560. I bought mine in February 2013. One of the first L3560s sold.

so even though the chart shows a b2650 at 19.5 hp and the b3350 at 27hp your saying there is actually only a couple more hp than the other.
or are you saying the gain from previous equiv models was only a couple hp.

No. The current B2601 with 22-horsepower, is like the L2501, in that it has less than 25-horsepower, therefore does not require the complex Tier IV emission controls. The B2650, according to my Kubota catalog, has 25.5 horsepower, so I presume it requires the full monty of Tier IV emission controls.

I am a user, not a dealer, so I could be wrong but I do not think so. The rules is simple: the "line" is 25-horsepower.

 

[CreekyB]

I recently made the purchase of an L2501HST. I was really wanting a B series tractor because I only have a few acres, we are looking to buy the 6 next to us if it ever comes up again but it may not. Pricing on the newer B series nearly scared me off. I got a quote for a Mahindra eMAx 25 with the toys I wanted for it and had them do the credit dealio. I called Deere and Kubota dealers and had them work quotes up for me, telling them ahead of time that sticker pricing on the build your own from the MFG's websites had already scared me and that I had a quote from Mahindra already. The Deere people put something together in the class of the eMAx 25 with all the implements that I wanted but gave me an "about" payment price, with interest. The Kubota dealer put together two different B series packages but also threw an L2501 package at me.

As it turns out the L2501 is cheaper than all, even the Mahindra (over the life of the loan) due to the 0% financing. And it is Tier IV compliant without the need for an EGR or a DPF and DEF (Just under 25 HP). I work in industrial maintenance, the fleets we work around see a ton of issues due to the current regulations. EGR systems need to be ran at high RPMs or tend to clog up a good bit. DPF/DEF systems are hit and miss, you can take a fleet of 100 machines of the same DPF/DEF system and a good bit of them will range from nightmare to PITA for maintenance while the smaller percentage will work as designed with little extra maintenance. The tech is still too new, JMHO.

Anyways, I really wanted a Kubota starting the hunt for these. Really glad I wound up with the L2501, now I just need to down a few more trees to make mowing with the slightly larger tractor easier.

I am no tractor expert, I do know some other types of equipment well. Just the considerations in my recent tractor hunt. Also I have been looking at tractors for the last several years. I have not noticed a bunch of "bells and whistles" on yearly tractor releases, just more regulation and different models to get around those same regs. Bells and whistles would not have driven my decision. It is a tractor, I need it to make the painful parts of my older years easier. Bells and whistles are for the family car

 

[TMGT]

The B2650 and B2601 don't have the egr or dpf. While they have pretty much the same power the 2650 has a 0.2L larger engine running a lower rpm meaning more available torque.

The L2501's engine is .4L larger then the B2650, it's a low rpm torque monster comparitivly.

On the higher rpm for the dpf, yes keeping the engine speed up while operating should help with extending the regen cycles and reduce soot buildup.
Not really an issue as operating the engine at low speeds doesn't really help them anyways.

 

[skindaddy]

why is it that some of the b series have a higher gpm on the hydraulics than the same or bigger L series? should that be a concern.
what is the diff in continuous running pto (L2501),and independant pto(b2601,b2650), or live with overrunning clutch L3301?

"They de-tuned one of the larger engines to just under 25-horsepower"--- sweet tell me how to retune motor lol!

 

[TMGT]

I haven't heard any complaints on loader speed with the l2501 so would imagine the pumps are matched well, higher gpm is always nice but depending on what you plan on doing not necessary.

As for the engine being de-tuned, it's done through reduced engine speed so no way to turn it up as the gearing for the pto is set for the lower operational speed.

For example, the engine in the B2650 with 26hp is the same as the old B2920 with 29hp, difference was that the B2920 was rated at 2800rpm compared to 2500rpm in the B2650.

 

[CreekyB]

why is it that some of the b series have a higher gpm on the hydraulics than the same or bigger L series? should that be a concern.
what is the diff in continuous running pto (L2501),and independant pto(b2601,b2650), or live with overrunning clutch L3301?

"They de-tuned one of the larger engines to just under 25-horsepower"--- sweet tell me how to retune motor lol!

The L2501HST has a live continuous with overrunning clutch. Unless you have the PTO lever engaged it does not run....

As for the differences I am not sure on all of them but it is my understanding that the independant PTOs are usually hydraulic.

Lastly "detuned" is a way of saying that the engine has been governed may have undersized injectors/restricted airflow. After the warranty is over on my L2501 I plan on looking into playing around with the horsepower a bit. Probably not until I do a good bit of research on it. I am really comfortable playing around with my Gen1 Cummins engines but both of them are in trucks with manual transmissions. They can easily take double the horsepower of the stock Gen1s.

Then again my L2501 does everything I want it to do, even if I get the additional 6 acres next door I do not see it falling short of what I will need or want it to do.

 

[TMGT]

Honestly the best way to add any noticeable power is to go forced induction, I'm in the process of putting a turbo on my b2620 since I can't afford to upgrade. The D1105 engine was offered in a turbo version so it's a little easier