2007 5103 vs 2008 5103

[mouse2146]

Is it true that the hp decreased in the 2008 models? Is it possible that dealers still have a 2007 model on their lot? Aren't my chances of getting a better deal greater if I can find a 2007 model?

Thanks for your help!

 

[gamble77]

hp is down on the 2008 models HOWEVER, the 2008 models have a better transmission and come standard with a single rear remote. Not real discounts on the dealer side for the 07 models because there really aren't any left!! The 2008 is the way to go in my opinion...

 

[vancleaveterry]

Could you tell us a bit more about the new transmission AND about the new four wheel drive transmission?

What exactly makes the 5203 more powerful than the 5103 (since they seem to use the same basic 3 cylinder) ... and would it be worth the extra money to get it? Are either turbocharged?

Right now I am leaning towards a 5203 with four wheel drive. What should I actually expect to have to pay for one?

Forgive my ignornance, but what exactly is a "single rear remote"?

Terry
Mississippi Coast

 

[Bob_Young]

Terry,
Visit www.deere.com and click on Agriculture and then tractors. Look for the 5003 series among the Utility Tractors and click on that.

The sidebar should let you select 5103, 5203, etc. Then go to Specifications for detailed information or "Build Your Own" to get an idea of cost with options. JD is very good about providing pricing tools.

The single rear remote is a hydraulic Selective Control Valve with dual outlets in the back of the tractor and a control lever next to the seat. The valve will let you control a single double-acting hydraulic cylinder from the operator's location. Depending on the position of the valve, one outlet will act as a fluid source to the cylinder while the other outlet provides a fluid return.

The '08s are all turbocharged, even the lowest powered 5103. The higher powered versions are set up for greater turbocharger boost and fuel flow....I think.

The new transmission, as I understand, allows a shift between a forward gear and a reverse gear while the tractor is on the move. This is to help with loader work.

Just repeating what I've learned from the site. Hope it helps.
Bob

 

[exiled]

What exactly makes the 5203 more powerful than the 5103 (since they seem to use the same basic 3 cylinder) ... and would it be worth the extra money to get it? Are either turbocharged?

Right now I am leaning towards a 5203 with four wheel drive. What should I actually expect to have to pay for one?

Forgive my ignornance, but what exactly is a "single rear remote"?

Terry
Mississippi Coast

vancleaveterry, I dont know how they made the 10 extra hp between each model. All models in the 03 series is turbocharges 2.9L 3 cycl. The 5103 got hitthe hardest in the hp cuts. The 5203 only lost a horse on the PTO and the 5303 is the same. A 4x4 5203 will run $20,000-$21,000. I dont know what your plans for the machine are. I would suggest the 5203 and better yet the 5303. About $900 separate the 5203 and the 5303. I would think that if your goingto use something thats going to use more hp at the PTO you'd probally be looking at a different series than the 03. Sure the 5403 gets you 64 at the pto butttttttttt. I just think the smart money is on the 5303.
Single remote is just that a single remote. A remote is aka scv. It is a set of hydralic connections to run equiment out back. Some older tractors had the scv that ran the loader in the back and equiment shared them or you had extra ones installed which in some cases ment you had to have a switch box to switch to wich scv{remotes} you wanted to use. The good thing about the 03 series is they put mid scvs on the tractor to run the loader but that left nothing on the back to run a hay mower etc without haveing scvs installed out back or unhooking the loader and running your hoses up to middle of the tractor. I dont know why but at some dealers last year where selling the 03's with scv standard while some still charged. I dont know what that is about.

 

[vancleaveterry]

Thanks Bob and Exiled

I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.

As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.

I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?

I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?

Thanks again.
Terry

 

[exiled]

Thanks Bob and Exiled

I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.

As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.

I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?

I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?

Thanks again.
Terry

I dont know about the 10% lower price. I've been pricingthe 03 series for 3 years now, and I have'nt gotten that low of a price. But still right now last week I went to 6 tri-greens and they all where right on msrp pricing.
Yes going with an ag tractor and farming it will help you on your loan. I know untell end of April JDC has 4.9% interrest for 72 months. Your salesman might now of another program to help you out.
5203 will work the 6' bushhog, but i would go ahead with the 5303. You can do alot w/ 30 acres and in the futur if you want to do them you would'nt have to worry about a bigger tractor unless you started row cropping and then I dont think you'll make enough off 30 acres to beable to eat.
Yes put out the $900 and get the mid scvs. Then in the futur you just buy the loader. I understand if you dont go ahead and get the mids it is quite costly to do it later.

 

[Bob_Young]

Terry,
Bush hogging with 60" won't take any more than the 5103, in fact you could get by with as little as 30HP. On my farm, which has many set-out evergreens, I much prefer the 60" hog behind my L4300 when mowing around the trees. The L4300 (with loader off)/BB60 combination is very compact, maneuverable and pleasant to use; much more so than my larger Ford 4000 with heavy 72" hog. With a tree farm and a vineyard, I think you'd value maneuverability over size, muscle and weight.

I'm planning to hog the nasty stuff with a Woods BB720 (72") that is quite heavy. The JD dealer indicated that the 2WD 5103, properly ballasted should be fine, though I may still upgrade to a 5203.

FWD and a loader kind of go together, in my estimation. The loader needs the FWD for good traction (and braking) with a full bucket and the FWD needs the loader to fully justify the extra expense of FWD. Without the loader, a well ballasted 2WD should easily do 95% of what you're planning if your ground has good drainage. The remaining 5% is still doable with care.

But I'm not diminishing the value of FWD and a Loader by any means. If you can afford to go that way, definitely do it. Loaders are extremely versatile. Keep in mind, however, that you will likely want to be able to easily remove the loader for work around the trees and the grapes.
FWIW
Bob

 

[gamble77]

Think you guys covered most things except the transmission...

The new 08 5X03 models have a 9x3 transmission. Three ranges A/B/C, and three forward gears and one reverse gear in each range. What is new is that on the 08 models "2" and "R" are inline synchronized...don't have to be at a complete stop. Better for loader work.

 

[greggh]

Thanks Bob and Exiled

I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.

As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.

I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?

I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?

Thanks again.
Terry

I just bought a 5203 MFWD in November. It is a great tractor, basic for sure but good enough for me. I went ahead and put a 522 FEL when I bought. I would think that 6' any implement would be the smallest I would use. 7' or 8' would be better in my opinion. If you happen to have any tractor auctions in you area it might be good to visit to see if any good deals can be had on implements. The 2007's did not have the MFWD option, but they are still a good tractor. These are built in India, but as I stated earlier they are a stout tractor.

 

[greggh]

I forgot to add that JD has 0% for 36 months.

 

[Bob_Young]

Gregg, how much did the 522 loader add to the price tag?
Bob

 

[vancleaveterry]

One of the reasons I want a 5X03 is because a good friend has had a 5103 for three or four years and its been dependable. I've also seen where his neighbor, with a slightly smaller Ford, had to call him over with his Deere for a task, (pulling back into place an oak tree toppled by Katrina) ... and so I was impressed.

I also liked the big cockpit compared to the one on a smaller Kubota I drove around.

I do understand that a smaller tractor would be better for 90% of what I will be doing, but its the other 10% of tasks that makes me want a tractor with more "azz".

Plus... how could I hold my head up around my friend? ;-)

This forum is great but why is the last John Deere Review dated from November 2006? Time to review the new 5X03 4wd.

I really appreciate the replies.

 

[bjcsc]

As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.

Obviously they vary. I don't know what a tri-green is but if they're selling at full MSRP I'd be looking elsewhere. My dealer was 19% lower than the MSRP on the build sheet I sent him so he got my business. When you decide on a model, and build it up on Deere's site, you can then email dealers your in your area the build for quotes.

 

[exiled]

Sure you can decide your going to buy a tractor and a rotary cutter. Chose which one then go buy the tractor that supports the needs of the cutter. I dont thinbk this is wise. In this thread alone you see guys that has a tractor for this and that. For some thats unavoidable. To me its crazy to upgrade in a few years when you can do it now and you chose to just make do. If money is an issue then thats one thing. I'm a supervisor at a grain elevator so I work with alot of farmers. I have learned acouple things over the years. I seen farmers just make do then have to upgrade. When I decided it was time to quit paying somebody to do my work for me and buy a tractor I came with this forumual to decide what size tractor I needed. I sat down and looked what I planned on ending up doing with my tractor. I looked up the tractor requirements. I multiplied the highest requirement by 1.5. This covers a 50% upgrade in the future. Which works out pretty good. The 5203 will cover most hay tools untell you get over a 8' cutter and start using a round bailer. I was looking at a 5203 but when I did the forumal a 5303 was the smallest I should be looking at. Just so happens the 5303 will cover every mower I've looked at and almost every bailer. Bailers do get very big which will require a whole new class of tractor. Theres bailers that will bail and hold 100s of squire bails, so of course this arent the bailers I'm talking about using the 5303 for. Another thing I notice alot of people are'nt taking into account is the hp at the drawbar. Your tractor might carry enough hp at the pto to run your equiment but what enough butt to drag a log or a disc etc. It only makes sense that as the pto hp goes up so does the strength of your rearend. I have waited 3 years to buy a tractor{I still have'nt yet}, cause of money situation I'm going to have to settle for a 60hp tractor instead of a 65hp. If I have to upgrade then I will. By making this move all I'm really doing is limiting my work to a 2 JD round bailers. I believe I can handle that. I was looking forward to bailing 6x6s with the net wrap buttttttt. Maybe one day.
What is a tri-green? A tri-green is a johndeere dealer. They are connected some how. I know its not by owner cause the 6 that I go to are 5 different owners. They supposeable buy in bulk from the factory on 1 ticket then spread the products between the stores. This is suppose to give them a lower price which in turn is suppose to give us a lower price. Theres not a regular JD dealer near me so I dont know what they can do. Please somebody get a quote and pass it on. I got a 2 quotes a week ago thursday for a 5303 w/ 512 loader, mx6 cutterfor $27450, and $27230. If you build it on the website it comes to $26900. I'm thinking with the very low interrest rates right now the prices are going to stay up. What does the interrest have to do w/ it? Well JDC, JD manufactor and the dealers all scratch each others back. When JDC is making money on intrrest is can lower the selling price. Why? Well its the same company just split up. JD is going to make the same ammount of money it just changes which department is going to collect it. Last year the credit company was branging in 2% in interrest on the long term loans. I dont have the patence to figure up the money difference between each machine over the 72 month term. But you can figure its a good bit plus they get their return 2% faster. The higher the monthly payment the faster you'll have paided in the loaned amount of money or the cost of the tractor. I would really like to hear some lower prices.

 

[bjcsc]

The interest rate has nothing to do with it. Mine is also financed at 0% for 3 years (I paid 30% down). Where are you? If you edit your profile (My Home) to include where you live, people can help you better with geographic questions. When you used the Deere configurator, you get the option of sending it to dealers for quotes. Send it to a few and see what you get. Would you drive 300 miles to save 4 or 5 thousand dollars? I would...heck, you could buy a trailer and still come out ahead...there's got to be someone close...

 

[exiled]

I'm in north Alabama. I'm not going to argue. I'm not sure where your coming from about interrest having nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. Aight you have 0% interrest, so that means your note is only 36 months{3yrs}. JD is going to recover its money in half the time then most loans. Your payong a higher payment then somebody else w/ a 72 month 6.5%{which it was last year} rate. Your paying higher than a 72 month and 4.9 rate. This years rates. JD can knock $2000 off for you cause still in 36 months they will have still brought in more money off you. I dont know what you have but its pretty fair to say{knowing most JD prices} your saying you got about $4000 below msrp. I'm so happy for you. I'm one of the guys that will never happen to. 06 and 07 the best quotes I got was around $800 under msrp. I have trailers so that wont even figure into the math for me.
I chose not to email for a quote. I just went to the dealers and talked to the salemen in person. Its the only way I know how to do busness. I'm funny that way. If a man wont accept my hand I wont do busness with him. Oh yea I've left some very fine cattle in the pens cause A man dont shake hands. I've been to Tenn, Ga, getting quotes. Wish I could run up on a deal like your's.

 

[bjcsc]

I'm in north Alabama. I'm not going to argue. I'm not sure where your coming from about interrest having nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. Aight you have 0% interrest, so that means your note is only 36 months{3yrs}. JD is going to recover its money in half the time then most loans. Your payong a higher payment then somebody else w/ a 72 month 6.5%{which it was last year} rate. Your paying higher than a 72 month and 4.9 rate. This years rates. JD can knock $2000 off for you cause still in 36 months they will have still brought in more money off you. I dont know what you have but its pretty fair to say{knowing most JD prices} your saying you got about $4000 below msrp. I'm so happy for you. I'm one of the guys that will never happen to. 06 and 07 the best quotes I got was around $800 under msrp. I have trailers so that wont even figure into the math for me.
I chose not to email for a quote. I just went to the dealers and talked to the salemen in person. Its the only way I know how to do busness. I'm funny that way. If a man wont accept my hand I wont do busness with him. Oh yea I've left some very fine cattle in the pens cause A man dont shake hands. I've been to Tenn, Ga, getting quotes. Wish I could run up on a deal like your's.

You're correct on your interest rate comments. My statement was in reference to greggh's comment about the 36mos at 0% and for some reason I attributed that to vancleaveterry and his comment about the 10%...so I thought that's what we were talking about...sometimes I get ahead of myself - my mistake!

I'm with you on the hand shake, too. Even though I emailed, I went to the dealerships I emailed and chatted with the people there afterwards (incognito) to see what kind of "feel" I got there. My tractor is below in my sig. Dollarwise, I came out ~$8700 under MSRP. Maybe you should cruise right through GA and try SC next time!

 

[RollTideRam]

exiled, If you want a better price than tri-green, go to Coker tractor in Arab. JC

 

[exiled]

exiled, If you want a better price than tri-green, go to Coker tractor in Arab. JC

Howdy neigbor. I think I'll go by Coker. I have to pick up some hay in Morgan city in the morning. Is coker on 231?
bjcsc, brother it would be nice to run into a deal like your's. A tractor dont depreciate $8000 in 5 yrs. I'd say your a whole lot of money ahead. You did'nt have to big of a loan after putting 30% down. Somewhere around $10,000.