1st tractor! any suggestions

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Hey guys,

I'm looking for my first tractor to buy. Ive looked on craigslist for some and they are all older. Im looking to do a little part time shredding. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Update: found a ford n9 with shredder for $2500 does that sound worth it. It was converted to 12 volt and has new starter and ignition system.
 
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Hey guys,

I'm looking for my first tractor to buy. Ive looked on craigslist for some and they are all older. Im looking to do a little part time shredding. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Update: found a ford n9 with shredder for $2500 does that sound worth it. It was converted to 12 volt and has new starter and ignition system.

It really depends on the condition, but 9Ns usually go for less than that around here. They're solid machines...easy to work on, cheap parts, etc, but they do have some limitations you can avoid without spending more money.

The three big things with a 9N are that it has a 3 speed transmission, non-live hydraulics and the PTO is off the transmission. That means you're often at the wrong ground speed when you're at 540 PTO speed (what most implements require to work properly), you can't move the 3pt hitch with the clutch pushed in and the PTO stops if the clutch is pushed in. It doesn't seem like the last two would be a big deal, but they can be a real pain at times.

A lot of times when you're shredding you have to back into places or stop and start while raising the 3pt to get the mower to clear obstacles....with a 9N you'll the mower will slow down and the 3pt won't work when you're pushing in the clutch and you'll have to take it out of gear, let the clutch back out, spin up the blades, or raise the 3pt, push the clutch back in, put it back in gear....etc.

For around the same money you can probably find something like an NAA (followed the 8N) or any of the hundred series Fords...both were available with live hydraulics and dual-stage clutches so you can work the 3pt and have the blades under power while shifting gears, changing directions, etc.

If you're talking about shredding for money, rather than on your own property, all of the above becomes more important. You won't believe all the stuff you'll find in fields that will have you trying to stop, turn, raise the 3pt etc all on short-notice. My neighbor ran into a car like that once...just buried in tall grass!
 
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I prefer bush hogging with my loader bucket somewhat low. It helps me find dirt mounds and rock piles before the mower does.

Mowing thick live grass takes more horsepower than dead or really dry grass. The mower deck config also affects how much power. My deck is closed in the back so it tends to shred which takes more energy than a deck that can throw cuttings out the back.
 
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GManBart made some very good points about the 8N, 9N series tractors. For running a bush hog, I would avoid them totally. Spend a little more money and get a diesel engine, live PTO and hydraulics. If you like the old Fords, go for the 8xx series. They wont be much more money than what the 9N is listed for which is too high by the way unless it is in pristine condition both mechanically and aesthetically. Oh and lets not forget power steering on your new to you tractor. That makes a world of difference in driving especially when slow or stopped.

Personally I wouldn't buy a tractor without 4 WD AND a FEL. The 4 WD about doubles the pulling force available on small or larger tractors and once you have a front end loader (FEL) you wont believe how you got by without one.
I am the same way with my backhoe, I cant believe how I ever got by without it. Just yesterday, I had to dig out a drain pipe for our pond that had washed out a sink hole (the drain pipe had developed a leak and was eroding the base of the dam.) Without the backhoe, it would have been a problem even with a tractor with FEL to get the pipe out.
 
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Operating a Bush Hog is a potentially dangerous operation.

8N/9N tractors combined with a Bush Hog and a novice operator is a high risk combination.

You need really ample liability insurance, ample personal medical insurance and disability insurance to do commercial 'hogging.

Contemporary tractors have much reduced injury risks.
 
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I'm pretty sure I found the 9N you're talking about on CL....it looks pretty rough and wouldn't fetch $2K around here.

This is one you might be able to get for $3500 and would be far more capable:

1964 Ford 4000 Diesel

This is gas, but it would fit the bill nicely and you could probably get it for $3500 as well...lots of options and it's obviously had a lot of time/money put into it. Power steering, live hydraulics, new tires, etc, etc. You couldn't buy a beater, fix it up like this, add the shredder, and even be close to $3500 paying retail prices for everything.

Ford 740 Tractor 12/3spdtran
 
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Operating a Bush Hog is a potentially dangerous operation.

8N/9N tractors combined with a Bush Hog and a novice operator is a high risk combination.

You need really ample liability insurance, ample personal medical insurance and disability insurance to do commercial 'hogging.

Contemporary tractors have much reduced injury risks.

I agree 100%. We used to run an old 8n on the farm. Had some scary days with that thing. I would rather be sitting on a newer tractor, myself. Save a few more $ and expand your search. Good luck.
 
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I have a '52 8N and one thing about the N's is that you must have an ORC (over run coupler) on the tractor pto stub, which is about $70-$80. Otherwise a bush hog type of implement will continue to push the tractor forward just from the momentum of the blades. Lots of people have kept going into car/house/pond (I know a guy who went off into his pond from this). Finishing mower or other implements are not a problem, just the hog.
 
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Hey everyone thanks for the comments and suggestions I'm finding them so useful on my search!! and Gmanbart thanks for the links brother!!! I was talking to some buddies and they said oh just buy new so you won't have to worry about anything going wrong. Would that be suggested or no?
 
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Hey everyone thanks for the comments and suggestions I'm finding them so useful on my search!! and Gmanbart thanks for the links brother!!! I was talking to some buddies and they said oh just buy new so you won't have to worry about anything going wrong. Would that be suggested or no?
New is always sweet but there are many gentleman farmers that buy a nice tractor and a few implements and then realize they don't use it after a handful of years and then sell it for a song with low hours. In these cases you can easily get it for less than it's value and it may come with all the implements for basically free. But it does sound like your budget might be lower than this typical scenario so keep looking. Don't buy a rust bucket... it means it probably wasn't cared for enough for you to take it on. Find a well maintained tractor with the power you need. I think Bart and Gary have you on the right track. Keep on asking questions and you will get good advice from some very experienced folks here.
 
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Hey everyone thanks for the comments and suggestions I'm finding them so useful on my search!! and Gmanbart thanks for the links brother!!! I was talking to some buddies and they said oh just buy new so you won't have to worry about anything going wrong. Would that be suggested or no?

If you can afford new it certainly takes a lot of uncertainty out of the deal. If it's not too much of a drive, you may want to give RCO tractor in Austin a look...they sell LS and Yanmar and have a great reputation. Right now LS is about the most bang for the buck going, and Yanmar makes quality machines as well.
 
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Operating a Bush Hog is a potentially dangerous operation.

8N/9N tractors combined with a Bush Hog and a novice operator is a high risk combination.

You need really ample liability insurance, ample personal medical insurance and disability insurance to do commercial 'hogging.

Contemporary tractors have much reduced injury risks.

BS!
While I don't advocate buying an N Series Ford because of their limitations they are not bad tractors and will do a lot of work for you.
And they are cheap to buy, have excellent parts availability and are easy to fix.
People just love to bash the Ns.
 
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My suggestions for anyone's first tractor:
Get one with a seatbelt, and a rollbar. If you didn't grow up around old tractors or acquire hundreds of hours if seat time on them another way, these features should be considered mandatory. After that, a 4wd with a loader and a hydrostatic transmission will do a lot more work more easily than anything else, but of course the price tag is pretty high. Worth it, though in my opinion.
 
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BS!
While I don't advocate buying an N Series Ford because of their limitations they are not bad tractors and will do a lot of work for you.
And they are cheap to buy, have excellent parts availability and are easy to fix.
People just love to bash the Ns.

I'm not bashing Ns, but Jeff's statement that contemporary tractors have reduced injury risks isn't BS, it's fact. That doesn't mean they're "dangerous" but you do need to be more careful when using one, and even if you're as safe, and careful as possible, you are still at a higher risk for injury than you would be using a modern machine....just a ROPS alone makes a major improvement.
 
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I have to agree. My first tractor was a new 70'horse Kubota 4 wd. Years later I bought a 30 year old Massey Ferguson 2 wheel drive. Even though the Massey is much more modern than the old Fords, it still is no where near as user friendly as the Kubota. And 4 wheel drive is a must, especially if you have any hills. On my Kubota, I feel much safer and on my Massey, I have to be a little more careful as it is not as forgiving. Granted, with practice, either can be mastered, but a beginner has so much to learn so simpler is better.

So for a rookie, I would go to a modern tractor. With 4 wheel drive and a FEL, if that's in your budget. Also new is nice as most manufacturers offer zero interest for financing so it helps affordability. But that's just my opinion. As far as brand, you could argue that all day. I would say within the same class and price point, most of the major brands are very good. So it's a matter of dealer support, and personal tastes.

Even now, I would never buy any tractor made before roll bars were mandatory. But those old restored Fords are fun to look at, but give me a new Kubota to drive!
 
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You fellows with all your safety gew gaws and doo dads make me wonder.
All those things do is lull you into Thinking you are safe and so you get complacent, even careless because of them.
I pay attention to what is going on and around my tractor because I don't have all your safety stuff on mine.
And seat belts??
I hate wearing seat belts in my car but do because of the safety Nazis made it a moving violation if I don't.
One of the reasons I love running my tractor is because I don't have to have all that stuff on it.
Free and easy, like a man should be.
 
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You fellows with all your safety gew gaws and doo dads make me wonder.
All those things do is lull you into Thinking you are safe and so you get complacent, even careless because of them.
I pay attention to what is going on and around my tractor because I don't have all your safety stuff on mine.
And seat belts??
I hate wearing seat belts in my car but do because of the safety Nazis made it a moving violation if I don't.
One of the reasons I love running my tractor is because I don't have to have all that stuff on it.
Free and easy, like a man should be.

This is a ridiculous post, and terrible advice for a newbie.

Having a rollover structure doesn't make you think you're safer it makes you safer....period. There is NO way to work around that. Rollovers are the #1 cause of tractor fatalities, and the overwhelming majority of them are on tractors without a ROPS.

Thousands of dead farmers who knew what they were doing are proof that your theory is wrong, and there's no need to derail this thread by starting an argument about something as basic as safety. Sure, some modern safety measures are a bit much, but things like ROPS don't fall into that category.
 
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Over running clutch is a must for pto implements on an N. It's easy to spend other people's money.

Sure new and modern is good if it is in the budget.

If it is ROPS equipped, wear your seat belt and it will be safer. A fel is quite handy if you can afford it.

But you can brush hog with a 2 wheel drive. Be careful about slopes. Live pto would be preferred.

Look around and set a budget.
 
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You fellows with all your safety gew gaws and doo dads make me wonder.
All those things do is lull you into Thinking you are safe and so you get complacent, even careless because of them.
I pay attention to what is going on and around my tractor because I don't have all your safety stuff on mine.
And seat belts??
I hate wearing seat belts in my car but do because of the safety Nazis made it a moving violation if I don't.
One of the reasons I love running my tractor is because I don't have to have all that stuff on it.
Free and easy, like a man should be.

Seems to me a he-man like you should be runnin' a pair of Brahma bulls and a walk-behind plow!
 

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