16K trailer

[Piston]

Did you buy a bumper pull or gooseneck?

What price did Gatormade give you on the 25' trailer?

You might actually be losing capacity by going with the larger trailer. It will weigh more and since your going to be derating it anyways you might end up with the same capacity, but since the trailer will weigh more your actual payload could go down.

This isn't necessarily your case but hopefully that doesn't happen for your sake.

 

[1gr8bldr]

Did you buy a bumper pull or gooseneck?

What price did Gatormade give you on the 25' trailer?

You might actually be losing capacity by going with the larger trailer. It will weigh more and since your going to be derating it anyways you might end up with the same capacity, but since the trailer will weigh more your actual payload could go down.

This isn't necessarily your case but hopefully that doesn't happen for your sake.

I am buying to bumper pull.
I am not sure it is appropriate to state the price? I am certain that I was given no special price. I understand your point.... as long as I can get 12,000, I will be happy

 

[1gr8bldr]

Are you looking for a gooseneck or tag along style?

Have you thought about Hudson trailers? I really like my 4T 18' trailer but want to upgrade to a 6 Ton (16k) trailer with a 25' length. I don't want a gooseneck style though.

My last 7K was a hudson gooseneck and my present tag along is a 6K Hudson. They are 5 miles from home. I know the Hudsons and many that work there. Good trailers. But I would like something different this time.

 

[1gr8bldr]

Did you buy a bumper pull or gooseneck?

What price did Gatormade give you on the 25' trailer?

You might actually be losing capacity by going with the larger trailer. It will weigh more and since your going to be derating it anyways you might end up with the same capacity, but since the trailer will weigh more your actual payload could go down.

This isn't necessarily your case but hopefully that doesn't happen for your sake.

The 20 +5 Gator is 5800lbs. I can not find the weight Tandem Dual. A like Competitors is 6000lb

 

[Diamondpilot]

The 20 +5 Gator is 5800lbs. I can not find the weight Tandem Dual. A like Competitors is 6000lb

That seems about right. I had a 25+5 GN with tandem 12K axles, total GVWR was 25,000#. It weighed 6,800# empty.

Chris

 

[Piston]

I am buying to bumper pull. I am not sure it is appropriate to state the price? I am certain that I was given no special price. I understand your point.... as long as I can get 12,000, I will be happy

No worries if you'd rather not post the price of the Gatormade, I was mostly just curious where in the range it falls compared to the other well known brands.

 

[1gr8bldr]

No worries if you'd rather not post the price of the Gatormade, I was mostly just curious where in the range it falls compared to the other well known brands.

Since they post prices on the net anyway, the 16,000 was $6700 ... somewhere close to that. I will dbl ck my emails Edit $6790

 

[FatTire]

Looking through my manual...GCWR is 24,500. Is this based on hitch capacity, suspension, or many factors???? My aftermarket Air lift rear suspension does not factor in any way does it?

GCWR is the max scale weight of the loaded truck and trailer combined. This could be lower than the sum of the GVWR's for your truck and trailer depending on what you've got. It is based on the manufacturer's safety analysis including the factors you've listed plus others like braking. And no, there is nothing you can do to change it, suspension mods etc. have no effect on the rating, even though they may make that part of the system work a little better for your applications.

 

[crashz]

If you are needing 12K lbs capacity, know the weight of the trailer and know the weight of the truck, it will help you develop that reg tag. So lets say you need: 12K lbs (load) + 6K lbs (trailer weight) + 8K lbs (GVWR truck) = 26K lbs.

I have no idea what truck you will be paring with this trailer, but sounds like you may be over the limits here. To get 12K lbs capacity with a 6K lbs trailer, your trailer GVWR tag will need to be 18K lbs. That only leaves 8K for your truck. Too light for anything able to tow 18K that I know of.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken...

 

[Silvic]

The >26K CDL issue is real but some/most states have exceptions to the CDL requirement. Check your state for details but farm use is a common exception. Of course the definition of farm may not be what you would like. As an example I can run a no weight limit, other than axles rules, because of the farm exclusion. RV's are another common exception.

 

[terryknight]

The >26K CDL issue is real but some/most states have exceptions to the CDL requirement. Check your state for details but farm use is a common exception. Of course the definition of farm may not be what you would like. As an example I can run a no weight limit, other than axles rules, because of the farm exclusion. RV's are another common exception.

the other big exception is commerical as in CDL (from Regulations Section | Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration)

Commercial driver's license (CDL) means a license issued to an individual by a State or other jurisdiction of domicile, in accordance with the standards contained in this part, which authorizes the individual to operate a class of a commercial motor vehicle.

Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—

(1) Has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds), whichever is greater; or

(2) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater; or

(3) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or

(4) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.

Now what the OP is doing and whether or not he is commercial, I do not know. Nor do I know his state specific rules

 

[SweBota]

(from Regulations Section | Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration)

(1) Has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds), whichever is greater; or

(2) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater; or

Just a question from a curios european here, are we talking normal car drivers license here without additional endorsements that allows you to drive a vehicle (or combination) up to almost 12 tons ?

/Marcus

 

[terryknight]

a normal license here (Maryland) allows you to drive up to 26000 lbs. you need a DOT physical and med card to drive over 10000 lbs commercially. if you go over 26000 and are engaged in commerce (and do not meet one of the exemptions) you need a CDL license of the proper type. if you are over 26000 lbs and NOT engaged in commerce OR meet one of the exemptions you need the proper class of license (A, B, C), but it does not need to be a Commerical drivers license.

I cannot speak to rules in other states

 

[newbury]

Just a question from a curios european here, are we talking normal car drivers license here without additional endorsements that allows you to drive a vehicle (or combination) up to almost 12 tons ?

/Marcus

Well here 26,000 lbs equals 13 tons. And yes that's the rule.

 

[Silvic]

the other big exception is commerical as in CDL (from Regulations Section | Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration)
Commercial driver's license (CDL) means a license issued to an individual by a State or other jurisdiction of domicile, in accordance with the standards contained in this part, which authorizes the individual to operate a class of a commercial motor vehicle.

Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—
<snip>

Until I got the state to verify that my forestry operation was classified as farm operations (here in Washington), I tried to use the commercial language and the commerce language. The man in charge of CDL rules for the state told me that if you are a private individual over 26K that does not fit in with the exceptions then you are classified as commercial and commerce even if you are neither. When I stated that is not what commercial and commerce means I was told in this state (WA) you must have a CDL if over 26K unless the exceptions apply even if there is no commerce involved.

Each state seems to be different. Maybe this is one of those cases where a national standard that each state must meet but can not enhance/modify to be more restrictive would be a good thing. This discussion goes on here on TBN every couple of months and the one thing that is consistent is that there is no consistency from the posters as to what each state's rules are. Best thing is to verify in your state what the requirements are and do not take anything as gospel that is posted here because your state may be different.

 

[terryknight]

Until I got the state to verify that my forestry operation was classified as farm operations (here in Washington), I tried to use the commercial language and the commerce language. The man in charge of CDL rules for the state told me that if you are a private individual over 26K that does not fit in with the exceptions then you are classified as commercial and commerce even if you are neither. When I stated that is not what commercial and commerce means I was told in this state (WA) you must have a CDL if over 26K unless the exceptions apply even if there is no commerce involved.

Each state seems to be different. Maybe this is one of those cases where a national standard that each state must meet but can not enhance/modify to be more restrictive would be a good thing. This discussion goes on here on TBN every couple of months and the one thing that is consistent is that there is no consistency from the posters as to what each state's rules are. Best thing is to verify in your state what the requirements are and do not take anything as gospel that is posted here because your state may be different.

you're absolutely right. ask your state for their rules (should also ask any state you travel through). my biggest issue with that is the DOT officers, the DMV have different answers as to what is and is not "legal." What I post was the Federal regs. I do know VA has a personal use exemption

page 5 http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv60.pdf

Commercial driver’s license requirements don’t apply to:

vehicles operated by persons only for personal use, such as recreational vehicles and rental moving vans

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Make sure you look into the medical card requirements. Once you combo over 17k, you are required to carry one.

 

[Happy Gilmore]

I have talked to Pro line, Kraftsman, Kaufman, Mikes trailers, PJ and Gatormade. I may be going with Gatormade. I saw some bad feedback in years past history, but this I assume could be corrected in little time so I can't assume it still exist. I am looking for a 16K, 12,000 pound capacity, deckover with the big fold over ramps or pop up dovetail, 20 flat by 5 ft dovetail. Any opinions based on recent experience would be appreciated.

Man, almost 10 years late, but this is exactly what I’m looking for in a trailer currently spec wise.

 

[nisaacs]

Man, almost 10 years late, but this is exactly what I’m looking for in a trailer currently spec wise.

Here is a sample.

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