Natureboy
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Besides super non gelling fuel oil, Duffster must also be selling corn:laughing:
15% ethanol in gasoline passes.
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Besides super non gelling fuel oil, Duffster must also be selling corn:laughing:
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I think you are right. I have not meet one person who likes the ethanol stuff, especially in the marine industry.
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The way I understand it, and I could be wrong, is that unless a car is designed for e85 it was illegal to put anything more than e10 into it. The EPA made e15 legal for newer cars and now has opened up the window for more cars. It's unclear whether or not you'll see E15 at the pumps as they still need to carry e10 for older cars and are unlikely to put in new tanks. What's going to decide it is the fuel suppliers, will they stay with e10 or will they stock e15?
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It's the old "camel's nose under the tent" thing. Right now they are just "allowing" it. But when few stations sell it, they will make it mandatory that they sell it. Then stations will have to decide whether to go through the expense of more tanks and pumps, or just switch everything to E15. You can guess where that will go. Then the fatcats in DC will declare that E10 can no longer be sold, the public be damned.
The corn industry and the ethanol industry like it along with the ultra green folks who buy sit in their big city condos and take cabs.
Ken
Nope. Don't sell any fuel.
I like it. We have a choice though, we don't have to use it. I just don't see the problems that are perpetuated on the internet.
Nope. Don't sell any fuel.
I like it. We have a choice though, we don't have to use it. I just don't see the problems that are perpetuated on the internet.
it's not just the internet, it's nearly everybody I know who runs and/or works on small engines. Why else would my chainsaw's warrantee be voided if I run ethanol? More specifically (sp?), ethanol eats away at fuel lines, o-rings, etc. The separation issue is also a well known problem.
As for treating the fuel; if this is necessary it should be done during the blending process, NOT post consumer.
The only choice we have around here is to use it, or else adopt an Amish lifestyle.
FWIW my small engine guy claims it is the gasoline that is junk, ethanol or not. I asked him why I don't experience all the " problems" other do and he asked if I use the Stihl brand mix oil, in which I do, he said that it has the stabilizers built in.
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Duffster,
Unless I'm missing something, we have to use it. At least up here in Maine. I think all of our gas is blended with Ethanol(10%?). It took the place of MTBE. Which was an additive of some sort, that we had to have in the gas. Not sure what it was for, but this MTBE stuff would get into the ground water, and ruin wells. So, it may be of use, but i think a little goes a long way. I'm not fan of bio fuels in general. I think if you look at the real numbers in what it takes to make Ethanol, it's not as "Green" as one thinks. Just my .02
Unless I'm missing something, we have to use it. At least up here in Maine. I think all of our gas is blended with Ethanol(10%?). It took the place of MTBE. Which was an additive of some sort, that we had to have in the gas. Not sure what it was for, but this MTBE stuff would get into the ground water, and ruin wells. So, it may be of use, but i think a little goes a long way. I'm not fan of bio fuels in general. I think if you look at the real numbers in what it takes to make Ethanol, it's not as "Green" as one thinks. Just my .02
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Nope. Don't sell any fuel.
I like it. We have a choice though, we don't have to use it. I just don't see the problems that are perpetuated on the internet.
Here in Indiana we do not have a choice. As of 1 year ago all gas sold for on road use must have 10% ethanol or more and all diesel must be B2 or better.
The only places allowed to sell REAL fuel is marinas, airports, and co-ops and its labeled for off road use only.
As for issues I deal with them weekly. Mainly in small engines. I have worked on 2 small engines in the last year, a go cart and power washer, that were stored for less than 4 months where the carb was trashed. I mean so bad that it was not rebuildable. I also had to rebuild 2 carbs last year on customers riding mowers. Both were only stored for the winter. Causes tons of issues in boats but that is partially from bad owners not topping off the tanks. Still, its 10 times more problems than I saw 15 years ago.
I see more problems in 4 cycle motors than in 2 cycle and maybe its a stabilizer thing but either way its a issue.
Chris
Gasoline storage ain't what it used to be, that's for sure. But I've said it before and I'll say it again....you will not open a manual for any small engine on anything no matter what it is, and see a manufacturer say that it's okay to put something away for anything close to four months with gas in it. And while the gas situation as it pertains to smaller engines has gotten worse over the years....it's far from being new. It's really no secret, (or maybe it is??), that small engine shops spend the majority of their time during the year getting mowers "tuned up" for mowing season, or snowblowers "tuned up" for winter mainly by dumping out old stale gas and putting fresh stuff in. The same thing applies to motorcycles and snowmobiles. A new spark plug is thrown in for good measure, but it ran on the old plug before it was put away. It ran excellent on the old plug...and the old air filter....and the old fuel filter, as a matter of fact.
Whenever you visit the doctor, they have you fill out forms and a questionnaire. I think if the same thing was done with small engines or seasonally-used toys, most small engine shops would go belly-up, because as the owner was answering the questions on the forms, a light bulb would *probably* go off over their heads:
"Geeze, my mower/motorcycle/snowmobile/boat did run fine a few months ago when I put it away.....so why does it need to be tuned up or fixed when I haven't been using it? What's changed? Did gremlins sneak in and install some old faulty parts....or was it something else? I mean, if all the working parts from last season are still in there, and the air the engine ingests hasn't changed....what else could it be?"
I work on this stuff daily, and if manufacturer recommendations were heeded, about 90% of the fuel-related problems people have would be gone. That may even be a conservative estimate. And if manufacturer recommendations were heeded, about 99% of the horror-story photos of disassembled carburetors posted on the internet would be history as well.
I'm not jumping-up-and-down happy about E15, but someone a few posts up hit the nail on the head:
If you have vehicles or equipment that came with literature from the manufacturer saying *this* fuel or *that* fuel is not supposed to be used, then you will not be forced to use it.
What's the government going to do....come up with some new "Cash for Clunkers" program so that the vehicles we have can run on the gas they make available? If all that's offered at the pumps is specifically prohibited with written documentation we have in our hands from the manufacturer....whaddya think they're going to do....considering they'd have millions of vehicle owners telling them they have some serious 'splaining to do? How 'bout the thousands of dealers looking sideways at them because they've mandated a non-recommended fuel, and now they have customers wanting warranty work paid for when they've used the specifically prohibited fuel that rendered their warranty void?
E15 will be made available. What's out there currently isn't going to be made unavailable.
The sky is not falling.