12 States to ban diesel vehicles

[QRTRHRS]

Been away from the big trucks since 08' but in my past experience, the Jacob's were the most effective and the loudest. My first was in a new 74' Diamond Reo tri-axle. 270 constant torque cummins that would put the truck sideways empty and on a wet road. (Only did that once) Next was a Mack Maxydine. Not overly loud, okay retarding ability. Then several CAT C15's. About the same as the old Mack. Then I was given around an 05' Volvo to drive. Ryder rental, 350 Cummins I think it was, stock single stack exhaust. The Jacobs would wake the dead and hold back the truck. Hmm, I also drove some Mercedes powered tractors with an engine brake. Quiet, so so retarding power. And some DD's with if I recall correctly, a three stage brake setup. Again, so so retarding.

I had an exhaust brake on my 97' 12 valve. Nice for taking the "edge" off going down a hill but not enough to spin me out on a slippery road.

 

[not2old]

What comes to mind for me, are the Harley noise makers.

My 2005 Harley XL1200R Sportster is quieter than my 1982 BMW R100RT. Harley is original oem and BMW is supposed to be stock equivalent aftermarket.

 

[nisaacs]

Cummins B6.7 octane/7.2 diesel. The two appear to have similarities, both about 300 lbs more than the current 6.7 Cummins, both have engine brakes

I think the gas Cummins would be a first for gas engine brake. I don't think there is a gas exhaust brake even.

 

[Hay Dude]

You're doubting correctly.

Rams have exhaust brakes, and quite effective ones, but that's entirely different from a Jake brake.

Figured as much.
My exhaust brake and tow haul mode pretty much make get rid of the need for service brakes.

 

[Cub 7275]

I thought liability (ie mall crawlers with two bags of groceries in the bed using a true jake brake and locking up the rear wheels and wrecking) was the reason Dodge/DCX/FCA/Stellantis/RAM/ whatever they are called now wouldn't put them on the pickups, not noise.

Hey nisaacs, were you active on TDR a few year back?

 

[nisaacs]

Hey nisaacs, were you active on TDR a few year back?

Yes, still am, since '04.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

My exhaust brake and tow haul mode pretty much make get rid of the need for service brakes.

A friend of mine delivers trailers, mostly goosenecks, for a living. He has gone from Ram 3500s to 4500s and now 5500s because of the weight of his loads.

Usually he trades in between high 300,000 to a bit before 500,000 miles, and he has never had to do anything to the brakes. Yes, that Cummins exhaust brake is very effective. I rarely use the service brakes except at stop signs and stoplights, and that's while always towing something.

 

[Cub 7275]

Yes, still am, since '04.

I haven't been on the TDR for a few years now. Sadly my 05 rotted away, though I still have the motor.

 

[Dftodd]

A friend of mine delivers trailers, mostly goosenecks, for a living. He has gone from Ram 3500s to 4500s and now 5500s because of the weight of his loads.

Usually he trades in between high 300,000 to a bit before 500,000 miles, and he has never had to do anything to the brakes. Yes, that Cummins exhaust brake is very effective. I rarely use the service brakes except at stop signs and stoplights, and that's while always towing something.

We have to use the regular brakes on the 5500, even with the exhaust brake.

But the truck weights in at 19,500.

I could see not having to use them if it was in a flat bed.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

We have to use the regular brakes on the 5500, even with the exhaust brake.

But the truck weights in at 19,500.

I could see not having to use them if it was in a flat bed.

In my case the 3500 is a mere 9,500 lbs. or so, but at a minimum there's about 5,000 behind it, and I have been at (possibly a tad over) the 39,000 lb. CGVWR.

Also maybe worth pointing out is that I tend to drive fast, and that there are some decent grades here in the Rockies.

Heck, one time after having picked up a used 40' gooseneck flatbed I drove the quite curvy road 150 some miles home, and fast as usual. Not sure where along the way the trailer brakes quit working, but it wasn't until at the stop sign 10 miles from home that I found out that there were no trailer brakes.

Up until that point I hadn't used anything but the excellent exhaust brake, so there was no reason to find out that they didn't work. I'm just glad it wasn't when having to abort passing a slower vehicle because of approaching traffic. That could've been ugly.

 

[Dftodd]

In my case the 3500 is a mere 9,500 lbs. or so, but at a minimum there's about 5,000 behind it, and I have been at (possibly a tad over) the 39,000 lb. CGVWR.

Also maybe worth pointing out is that I tend to drive fast, and that there are some decent grades here in the Rockies.

Heck, one time after having picked up a used 40' gooseneck flatbed I drove the quite curvy road 150 some miles home, and fast as usual. Not sure where along the way the trailer brakes quit working, but it wasn't until at the stop sign 10 miles from home that I found out that there were no trailer brakes.

Up until that point I hadn't used anything but the excellent exhaust brake, so there was no reason to find out that they didn't work. I'm just glad it wasn't when having to abort passing a slower vehicle because of approaching traffic. That could've been ugly.

Our F550 diesel flat bed weighed around pretty close to 8,500 lbs. We have to run them through a scale and get a weigh slip when they come in so we have an idea what we can haul with them.

The exhaust brake on our dodge 5500 seems to work as you say on larger roads where I have room. We have some routes though that your passing your load going around the corners on some steep grades. But coupled with the transmission down shifting to hold your speed, i'm not on the brakes very hard.

Our Ford f550 diesel service truck seems to be a little more responsive with down shifting when the exhaust brake is engaged.

But you don't notice any tone difference in the engine really like you do with the dodge.

The Ford performs more like it was placed in tow haul mode when the exhaust brake is engaged.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Hmm, if you're in Tow/Haul and have the exhaust brake on full I don't see why using the brakes would be needed. Maybe your turbo actuator is acting up?

There's a nearby steep descent where one curve is well past 180 degrees and I have always joked about being able to check the trailer's taillights halfway through that one. Yet, no reason to use the brakes, unless I've sped up a bit too much since the prior curve and need to tap the brakes to make the exhaust brake slow me down even more.

And just to be sure, we're talking about '10 and newer Rams right, not earlier Dodges which I don't even know if they had exhaust brakes.

 

[Dftodd]

Hmm, if you're in Tow/Haul and have the exhaust brake on full I don't see why using the brakes would be needed. Maybe your turbo actuator is acting up?

There's a nearby steep descent where one curve is well past 180 degrees and I have always joked about being able to check the trailer's taillights halfway through that one. Yet, no reason to use the brakes, unless I've sped up a bit too much since the prior curve and need to tap the brakes to make the exhaust brake slow me down even more.

And just to be sure, we're talking about '10 and newer Rams right, not earlier Dodges which I don't even know if they had exhaust brakes.

Ram is a 2023 5500.

 

[Hay Dude]

When I have my Ram’s exhaust brake on “full” mode, any backing off on the fuel pedal brings it on and it works extremely well. In “auto” it only really is noticeable when you touch the brakes.
Mine has been on “full” since I drove it off the lot in 3/2020 with few exceptions.

 

[nisaacs]

And just to be sure, we're talking about '10 and newer Rams right, not earlier Dodges which I don't even know if they had exhaust brakes.

A little trivia...The 6.7 has always had them, since '07.5. The first early trucks was an option but quickly became standard.

Pac brake had aftermarket for years before that. When I did my Cummins conversion (1990) on my '74 F-350, that was my first upgrade.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just hauled 2 loads @ 48,000lbs today and the Ram ate it for lunch. Exhaust brake and transmission downshifting combo are amazing when you really need to haul some weight.

 

[nisaacs]

The first manufacturer to offer emissions free diesel power, with new power numbers/fuel mileage numbers, will need to operate 24/7 to take care of the rush to buy. It will happen...then all manufactures will get on board.

Is Ford testing factory deleted 6.7 diesels for consumers? Maybe...

 

[nisaacs]

Is GM testing deleted diesel trucks? maybe... what about the 8.3 Mega Max? maybe... Ram ya better get in gear.

 

[ultrarunner]

It won’t work in California if the state refuses to register.

Already conflicts with California doubling down.

Not sure where it will all end up but one strategy is to ignore or for the state to file lawsuits waiting out a change of administration.

I’ve seen this play out many times… regulators might say our hands are tied citing Federal Law but only when in agreement otherwise if disagree cite States Rights…

Employers did the same during COVID… pick and choose

 

[Runner]

It won’t work in California if the state refuses to register.

Already conflicts with California doubling down.

Not sure where it will all end up but one strategy is to ignore or for the state to file lawsuits waiting out a change of administration.

I’ve seen this play out many times… regulators might say our hands are tied citing Federal Law but only when in agreement otherwise if disagree cite States Rights…

Employers did the same during COVID… pick and choose

Send in the National Guard to run the Cali DMV offices.