Sawyer Rob
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AND I can't for the life of me understand why people think "everyone else's" needs are exactly the same "as theirs"??
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10kw PTO generator vs 16kw
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buickanddeere
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I have seen people "proud" that they get by on "less" even thought it costs them more...............
nybirdman
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My 10k PTO generator/trailer/electrical hook-up cost me $2500;I don't think you could come close to that with a stand-alone.Again mine is for emergency use only.
jenkinsph
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I use my Onan commercial quiet diesel rated for 5500 watts the most. It is mounted in the front of my service truck and hooked up to the truck fuel tank. It has been very dependable for me over the last 14 years of use and I am well satisfied with it. It has a Kubota diesel engine and is water cooled, uses a quart of fuel per hour no load and a little over a half gallon at full load per hour. I also have the Honda 2000 and 3000 inverter gensets and these are very handy and portable.
I have used all three of these gensets in Colorado many times and all seem to perform well. Living in the sticks of New Mexico I use generators a lot and one of the most important things to consider is the noise. I like the quiet gensets and am willing to pay extra for the peace and quiet.
I have used all three of these gensets in Colorado many times and all seem to perform well. Living in the sticks of New Mexico I use generators a lot and one of the most important things to consider is the noise. I like the quiet gensets and am willing to pay extra for the peace and quiet.
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That's the struggle I have. I want a PTO generator because it seems like a neat accessory and would be fun to use, but in reality I don't understand the point of them when they cost more than a stand alone unit and wear out my tractor. Even used pto gens seem to be spendy.
Weldernators might be something to look at for the OP?
a69reddog
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Just my 2 cents. I am a Generac tech. If you haven't bought your tractor yet some of them have 2 or 3 sped ptos. I have a Hinomoto that has a 3 speed. If you went with the smaller gen you could run the tractor at half speed using less fuel. Just keep in mind the hp is less at half throttle. You should install a hertz meter so you can keep it as close to 60 as you can.
Sawyer Rob
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He can do the same thing with the bigger generator too, he just won't be able to pull much out of it, of course that goes for either size generator...
Going to faster pto speeds REALLY lowers the amount you can pull out of the generator, UNLESS you have a VERY big tractor that still makes pretty good pto hp at lower rpm's...
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How much power do you think it takes to turn a 10k watt generator? A 40 hp tractor producing 3/4 power could do it no problem. Especially since the generator will rarely be producing maximum output.
Sawyer Rob
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That's my point!
It doesn't take much to turn it..........until you put a load on it. And unless you have quite a bit bigger tractor than you need, running the engine slower, (a69 who my post was aimed at, said "half speed") will make the governor slow to respond to loads, which makes a poor power maker!
And YES, I have tried it, and that was MY experience...
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nybirdman
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When I have run my 10K PTO generator on my 44HP tractor;to get to the proper HZ ,I believe it was about 2,000 rpm's.I can run my whole house and garage,freezer,frig,furnace,tv,computer ,what ever with no problems.
My biggest draw is in the spring when I am hatching(and the reason I purchased the gen.);if I lost power then I could loose my whole hatch and chicks.I have as many as four incubators going with 1200 eggs set.
My biggest draw is in the spring when I am hatching(and the reason I purchased the gen.);if I lost power then I could loose my whole hatch and chicks.I have as many as four incubators going with 1200 eggs set.
One of the things I think people miss is they try and compare a cheap Harbor Freight or big box store genset to a PTO generator. The power quality and the build is not even in the same ballpark. It would be like comparing a little Home Depot riding lawnmower to a 3 cylinder diesel tractor with a finish mower.
THD is HUGE these days because so many things have little computers in them. Because of globalization a lot of things can take pretty big swings in voltage and frequency but you need to have good sine waves. There are not many things that can handle dirty power. Those cheap little gensets can and often do put out bad power, how much did you save by burning out a lot of your electronics? A lot of those little gensets are designed to run lights and restive loads or even tools like drills and saws. Those types of loads can take terrible power and still work just fine. To get good power you are going to be buying a generator that will cost a lot more than the same sized PTO generator.
The second thing that gets me is people say that it puts hours on an expensive engine. Yes it is expensive but you can also put a LOT more hours on it than the cheaper engine. How many of the people who say it is putting too many hours on the tractor are putting 1K-2K hours a year on their tractors and wearing them out after about 5 to 7 years and quicker replacement is a concern? How many multiples of the cheap engine are you going to have to go through to equal the amount of hours that can be put on a tractor engine?
I am not saying that a PTO generator is best for all, I have a long post in another thread giving the pros and cons, but lets at least talk about them on the same playing field.
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I've:
12k Winco PTO.
6K honda powered gas
8 K dual fuel, gas/LP (on loan to my son).
The Winco was the least expensive, $600, lightly used.
I can't understand why so many people who have tractors are worried about "racking up hours" on a tractor diesel engine. They are "born to run".
I don't worry about the fuel getting stale, the plugs going bad, the mice eating the wires.
orangeandgreen
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Tractors have steering wheels and seats because they are designed to have an operator present. They have gauges/ idiot lights to notify the operator if something starts moving in a bad direction. ( mr Murphy at work). With the tractor spinning the generator and everyone in the house, who is going to react to the alarm of the gauge/ idiot light?
Stand by generators have sensors to shut down the generator if there is a problem. Some have panels inside the house to notify of problems.
It's a matter of using the best tool for the job.
Stand by generators have sensors to shut down the generator if there is a problem. Some have panels inside the house to notify of problems.
It's a matter of using the best tool for the job.
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My tractors are engines on wheels designed to do jobs I need done.
Would you run a tractor for a PTO splitter?
What about a chipper?
Or a sawmill?
My generators have gauges I check occasionally. My tractors also have gauges. When I run my generators I have to go out and check the gauges.
I expect most people would like to be able to just go out and buy a stand by generator to run their house, and a tractor for every attachment, and a shed for every tractor.
This thread was like the last Republican debate, about size.
The question was
Perhaps the OP should just get a natural gas pipeline run to his house for a standby generator. And save his tractor for a few hours a year of use like so many others do on TBN.
He seemed to lay out many good reasons he wants a PTO genset.
Sawyer Rob
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I've yet to see any farmers around here, worried about leaving their tractor sitting, running a pump or gen set.. I don't worry about it either...
In all the years I, or one of my friends has been doing so, not one of us has lost an engine or had any problems with our tractors.
Could it be that we just buy higher quality tractors so we don't have to worry about it?? lol
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In all the years I, or one of my friends has been doing so, not one of us has lost an engine or had any problems with our tractors.
Could it be that we just buy higher quality tractors so we don't have to worry about it?? lol
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ColoradoBound
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That would be a bit hard to do since there is no natural gas in the area only propane.
Plus I asked a specific question about PTO generators not gasoline, propane, natural gas or any other type of generator. There are many reasons that I want a PTO generator but not having another engine to maintain is one of them and I don't mind putting the hours on my tractor.
jenkinsph
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Just go out and buy a pto generator that will fit with your tractor and needs. But I recommend you set aside some cash for a more portable genset such as a Honda 2000EI or 3000EI because you will need it. You will soon grow tired of listening to the tractor run at high rpms' I suspect. Living off the grid isn't for everyone and isn't for most people who think it is after a year or so.
I would disagree with that. For over 100 years tractors have been doing belt work where you were not with the tractor as you were running something else. If you have ever run a belt driven machine you know the tractor isn't that close to what you are doing. I don't care how great your hearing is, you are not going to hear a little buzzer over the sound of a hammer mill or sawmill. Tractors have a seat and steering wheels because SOME of the jobs they do require a driver. Even modern machines with a seat safety switch have means to override it and get out of the tractor to run stationary machines.
Even the low oil shutoff is subject to Murphy though if you were really worried it wouldn't be that hard to setup a little wireless camera so you could watch the gauges on your phone or wire in a temp/oil Murphy switch. Lots of ways to solve that problem.
