'08 Superduty recall

[JB4310]

In defence of Ford, that's probably the only one that actually shot flames out, that video has been all over the diesel truck sites, but it's the only one, if this was a common problem there would be more videos.
That one obviously had an over active injector!
My Dodge doesn't shoot flames out but you don't want to walk within 4 feet of that tail pipe with shorts on when the 6.7 goes into regen.
Regeneration is what these new trucks do to burn off the soot trapped in their diesel particulate filters, DPF's, by dumping a bunch of fuel in a post combustion injection to super heat the exhaust stream, and I do mean super heat! and I do mean a bunch of fuel, my mpg go down about 10% during regen, mine does regen about every 250 miles, for about 30 miles due to my in town stop and go driving, for those who drive more on the highway under load ,theirs will do it less often due to already higher exhaust gas temps, EGTs.

 

[Dmace]

Is that video for real? Unmodified truck? Wow and yikes!

Oh yeah, completely stock truck! Just another recall on Ford's ever growing list...
Ford Stops Sales of Big Super Duty, Recalls 2008 Trucks

Ford Motor Co. has ordered dealers to stop selling the new Super Duty pickup with the 6.4-liter diesel engine and is recalling more than 37,000 of the 2008 F-Series trucks after reported tailpipe fires in the diesel version of the pickups.

 

[Egon]

Last time I was out in Alberta there seemed to be a very even distribution of Ford, Chev, and Dodge diesels out there.

Many of these are working trucks so they must be okay or they would not be on the road!

 

[Z-Michigan]

In defence of Ford, that's probably the only one that actually shot flames out, that video has been all over the diesel truck sites, but it's the only one, if this was a common problem there would be more videos.
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My Dodge doesn't shoot flames out but you don't want to walk within 4 feet of that tail pipe with shorts on when the 6.7 goes into regen.
Regeneration is what these new trucks do to burn off the soot trapped in their diesel particulate filters, DPF's, by dumping a bunch of fuel in a post combustion injection to super heat the exhaust stream, and I do mean super heat! and I do mean a bunch of fuel, my mpg go down about 10% during regen, mine does regen about every 250 miles, for about 30 miles due to my in town stop and go driving, for those who drive more on the highway under load ,theirs will do it less often due to already higher exhaust gas temps, EGTs.

The story linked by Dmace said 3 reports.

I can't see buying any 2007+ diesel until this stuff is well sorted out. The cost increase and mpg decrease is bad enough, but the regeneration as you describe it for your Dodge 6.7 (much less the Ford's flamethrower) is dangerous. Many of us park in garages, believe it or not. I don't want even 200 degree exhaust gas being shot out 4' in my garage. And it's dangerous whether you have a conventional rear exhaust or if the makers tried going to stacks. (For those who don't know, I'm not a diesel hater - I have a 2006 Ram/Cummins that I'm totally happy with, and also had a Jeep CRD but it was a lemon.)

Of course it's only a matter of time before a little bit of hot soot from one of these hits a dry grass patch and starts a fire that causes lots of damage. I'll bet there are calls to prohibit and immobilize the trucks whenever that happens.

Seems to me the danger could be nearly eliminated just by setting the software so regen mode only goes on at >30mph and stops at lower speeds, based on the assumption that at road speeds there won't be any people, vehicle, or dry grass right by the exhaust pipe. This might not eliminate the roadside grass fire risk, but would reduce all other risks. IMHO, stupid.

 

[jcmseven]

Dmace,

The video you show is the only visual example of this supposed malady of which I am aware and has been determined already to be in part as a result of an injector issue. It is also very old, reportedly being filmed as these trucks were just being released. If I recall, it is not yet determined whether this was just a regen issue (seems doubtful it was) or even fully legitimate. Ford (as I mentioned in my previous post) has been very careful to calibrate the modules in the 6.4L so as not to place too much fuel into the system during the regen mode to avoid any risk of particulate burn to excess. This avoided any risk when the trucks were idled for long periods or not warmed properly. The whopping three (yes, three) cases of this merited swift response from Ford, and no cases since of which I am aware (and this has been over one year). When one thinks of how many of these trucks are now running, and running hard, with no such problems it seems we are relegating ourselves to old news.

John M

 

[Egon]

Remember way back when catalytic converters first came out and resulting kerfuffle about them starting fires?

 

[scesnick]

On my second in (12 years that is) Dodge Ram with Cummins and have been very happy, I do think the Pooper Duty LOOKS better than the Dodge though and almost bought one for it's strong looks.
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Ditto. Glad you came to your senses before it was too late.

I do like the looks of the Ford. But looks don't get the trailers pulled down the road. A strong dependable engine does. I think I will keep my CTD,,,

 

[Builder]

Ditto. Glad you came to your senses before it was too late.

I do like the looks of the Ford. But looks don't get the trailers pulled down the road. A strong dependable engine does. I think I will keep my CTD,,,

Yeah, what's the old trucker saying "Chrome won't get ya home"....something like that.

I left Ford before I had the chance to own a 6L or a 6.4L Ford. I read and witnessed all the problems and decided I wanted no part of them. The Ford transmissions behind the 7.3L's drove me away and over to GM. I really hoped that when the 6.4L hit the market that Ford would step up and build a 6-speed tranny with more nutz to compliment the new diesel, but they didn't.

I definately miss the macho man styling and size of the Superduty, my HD looks like Toyota next to a Ford, but the drivetrain that pulls my GM HD down the road more than makes up for it.

Did anyone ever see the original gauge package that the '08 Superduty was supposed to come with? There was a picture of it on the internet at one time. The '08 diesel was going to have a boost, pyro and trans temp gauge in a cluster near the speedo, not one of the cheesy pillar pods. looked really cool, but they scrapped it.

 

[Bird]

I reckon that's why they build so many different brands; personal choice. It remains to be seen how well it'll hold up since my brother only has about 3,500 miles on his '08 F550, but it's incredibly quiet for a diesel, and the automatic transmission is incredibly smooth. Now I haven't been in it when it was towing anything, but he says he loves the power and the transmission. And of course, he's not exactly new to diesel trucks; having owned 2 diesel F350s in the past, 2 GMC (Isuzu) diesel trucks, one Chevrolet Top Kick with a Cat engine, one Kenworth with a Cummins, and one Peterbilt with a Cat. Then he also drove a number of other 18-wheelers for other people.

 

[JESSE1]

The biggest complaints about the new Fords seems to be coming from those who don't own one.

 

[RobJ]

I'm on a few diesel truck site forums, and one thing I noticed is that Ford owners beat up on them selves over the short Cummings of Ford, they have the highest customer loyalty even with all the problems, but you should see the flame throwing going on there, You almost never see in fighting going on in the Dodge and GM forums.

The diesel guys always are a little more...well uh...well you know. I've been hanging around one of the big sites since 2000. some have eaten some chest beaten words...

There is no replacement for displacement...a 7.3 owner saws until he gets his 6.0
Ford is best because of the solid front 4x4 axle....until Ford changed that to.

Probably a few others to.

But many use to say they would love to have that Cummins in a Ford. Best all around combo they thought.

 

[RobJ]

I do like the looks of the Ford. But looks don't get the trailers pulled down the road. A strong dependable engine does. I think I will keep my CTD,,,

I know some Dodge diesel and Ford diesel owners. ALL of the Dodge owners say they would like a better truck (not engine), it's the truck that gives them problems. I don't know how the new ones are rated. I don't listen that much anymore. But a few years ago there were a lot of problems. With the history I still wouldn't buy one.

But on the forums you will usually hear more complaints than praises.

 

[Z-Michigan]

I know some Dodge diesel and Ford diesel owners. ALL of the Dodge owners say they would like a better truck (not engine), it's the truck that gives them problems.

We have a Dodge and that's my sentiment - although we've had very few problems with the truck anyway. I do wish it had independent front instead of the solid axle.

 

[Egon]

I kinda like the solid front axle on my Dodge!

 

[scesnick]

The biggest complaints about the new Fords seems to be coming from those who don't own one.

I think these could also be the people that don't want to own one..

As far as the Dodge truck being inferior, except for the motor, I have heard that before and I would also like see he looks of the Ford with the grunt of the CTD. But, I don't want to sacrifice the dependability of the CTD just for some good looking seats.

I bought my first diesel to haul equipment in 2002. I then upgraded to a 2005 CTD and I have only had to replace one single U-Joint on the driveshaft. I have never had an issuew with the truck itself other than that.. and tires of course. ...

 

[bandit67]

I like my old 2001 7.3L, and have no plans on getting rid of it. I'll put new parts on it as I need them, and I can always get a new or reman engine if that day ever comes.

There's no way I'd touch any of the new diesels right now. Hopefully, a few years down the road we'll be able to look back at all of this mess in the diesel world and see it as a bump in the road while trying to meet the tougher emissions standards.

Frankly, I don't like seeing ANY of the manufacturers having problems with their diesels because it only puts off diesel acceptance in this country even longer. I'm looking forward to the day when, in the US, most every vehicle, car or truck, has a diesel option, or even better, a diesel/electric hybrid option, which will be far superior to the gas/electric engines.

 

[RobJ]

I kinda like the solid front axle on my Dodge!

My Ford still has one, it's a 99. But I don't deal with the diesel stuff either, it's a gasser. So much for cheaper diesel. $7000 for the right to pay $.60 more a gallon for fuel.

that's it in the background of my avatar. Crew cab and a very rare 8' bed.

 

[JESSE1]

I think these could also be the people that don't want to own one..

As far as the Dodge truck being inferior, except for the motor, I have heard that before and I would also like see he looks of the Ford with the grunt of the CTD. But, I don't want to sacrifice the dependability of the CTD just for some good looking seats.

I bought my first diesel to haul equipment in 2002. I then upgraded to a 2005 CTD and I have only had to replace one single U-Joint on the driveshaft. I have never had an issuew with the truck itself other than that.. and tires of course. ...

The only negatives to the new '08 Ford is the fuel mileage. All the new truck's mileage is down. If they were as bad as most people are claiming they are Ford would not be able to give them away. Most people are not as brand loyal as some people think. If they have a bad experience with a vehicle they may give it a second chance but seldom a third chance. All the manufacturers make good, solid trucks. For people to say a certain brand is no good when they've never even tried one makes no sense.

 

[Builder]

I like Ford trucks a lot, but no one makes a perfect truck, so until someone does, I'll continue to rip them and all the other brands, until they finally do.

To just sit there and say one truck is perfect and the rest are junk is just stupid and makes that person "brand loyal".

 

[JESSE1]

I like Ford trucks a lot, but no one makes a perfect truck, so until someone does, I'll continue to rip them and all the other brands, until they finally do.

To just sit there and say one truck is perfect and the rest are junk is just stupid and makes that person "brand loyal".

This is the same way I feel, except I don't feel like I can rip Dodge, since I have never owned one. I have owned GMC's and Chevy's. Good trucks, marginal engines and transmissions. They do seem like they've gotten their act together with the Duramax/Allison. I think Dodge is a good truck with an excellent powertrain.