12 States to ban diesel vehicles

[rontaki]

I heard the Valero refinery was closing because of insane regulations, leaving only the Phillips 66 refinery. Gas is going to get very expensive in CA, as if it wasn’t already

We're going to ban electricity next.

 

[Muhammad]

Did CA or San Diego provide any financial benefit to your purchase of electric vehicles? A CA friend, 15 years ago, went the electric car route because CA incentivized the purchase of electric cars and the PV installed on his property. My memory was 50% of cost for PV was paid by state so it was no thought required as the financial breakeven was less than 5 years.

No, but I think the federal rebate passed through on one of the cars that we leased. Didn't get any state or local rebates on anything.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I'd like to see stats on where that energy is being consumed because Meta is putting in a new data center in our area and their energy burn is going to be insane.

I'm guessing EVs are a drop in the bucket compared to modern data centers now that AI is taking off.

I dunno. Those diesel generators they have in some places (for a one vehicle charging station) look pretty meaningful. Might be 40-50 something KW.

Multiply that by thousands of EVs and the consumption would be noticeable.

 

[Gator6x4]

I'll bet the ban does not last long, once the out-of-touch lawmakers find empty shelves and other shortages.

Wrong. A Empty pocketbook is the only thing a politician understands.

 

[ultrarunner]

No, but I think the federal rebate passed through on one of the cars that we leased. Didn't get any state or local rebates on anything.

One of the local rebates was utility credit towards home charging station…

Another is free charging which is still offered where my niece works plus preferential EV parking.

The biggest perk for busy Bay Area Drivers is single occupant use of the carpool lanes and reduced bridge tolls…

 

[Muhammad]

One of the local rebates was utility credit towards home charging station…

Another is free charging which is still offered where my niece works plus preferential EV parking.

The biggest perk for busy Bay Area Drivers is single occupant use of the carpool lanes and reduced bridge tolls…

Yeah we didn't get anything for the electric panel upgrade we did. Would have been nice.

 

[Muhammad]

I don't buy

That's why I don't put much stock in the "we can't have EV's because our infrastructure can't support them" argument. It sells American ingenuity short. There wasn't a gas station on every corner when cars showed up. I don't believe in government mandates but the buying public wants EVs and I have faith in American enterprise and profit motivation to get the infrastructure in place. I'm especially hopeful that it will create a renewed interest in nuclear power since a lot of the hurdles, especially in waste, have been largely overcome. Of course, we might have to wait for my generation who watched China Syndrome to die off to lower the fear mongering a bit.

Yeah come back in 10, 20, or 30 years and we should be gradually much further along.

 

[Hay Dude]

That sounds good but what happens when a new different administration reinstates those strangling regulations.

You can “delete” a DEF/DPF truck using electronics. You effectively shut off the regen cycle and the DEF fluid injections by using a programmer to reprogram the trucks computer. You can remove the DPF and replace with a piece of exhaust pipe relatively easily.
If the regs were re-introduced, the DEF/DPF could be turned back on and the DPF could be re-installed.

 

[Hay Dude]

Electric vehicles don't work everywhere. Biden was going to use electric postal vehicles until someone found out battery vehicles in freezing climates are not practical. California's ban on diesel vehicles may not come to pass. The semi tractors are about 4,000 to over 8,000 lbs. heavier which would reduce payload by at least 5 -10 percent. Also, all loads from out of state would have to unhitch at the state line and be hooked up to electric motive power. A ridiculous idea to say the least.

California currently generates more solar power than the state can use and pays other states to take it during the day but is short of electricity at night. The current Governor has recently remover 3 or 4 dams which produced electricity; however his excuse was that they did not produce enough electricity. The latest screwball idea is to place floating windmills 900 feet high on platforms of about an acre in size located 30 miles offshore, and anchored to the bottom with chains and weights. in water that is 3,000 -5,000 feet deep then run the wires some 40 -50 miles to a 24 acre battery storage facility which will be built in an area the has tsunami warning signs at that location.

What could possibly go wrong.

This has never been done anywhere in the world in water much deeper that 300 feet. Anything is seawater will be a maintenance nightmare. From my experience as a Naval Officer during a typhoon is that even if you don't believe in God before such an encouter, you will certainly believe in the devil after.

That was a very intelligent post.
I hope you’ll post here more often.
And thank you for your sacrifice & service to our country.

 

[Hay Dude]

Awesome to say the least. I hope you are old enough to remember sitting in a car, maybe at a light, behind that Eldorado idling in front of you. Wasn't the smell of those fumes the best. Roll back those emission rules and cut off those catalytics.

Vehicle emissions have been substantially cleaned up in between the period of your “Eldorado” example, but before the 2008 standards came about.
My non-emissions 90’s and early 2000’s diesel trucks ran very clean and efficient compared to 70’s & 80’s diesels.

Your sarcastic comments are untrue.