Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated

/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #21  
@HawkinsHollow If you do go the pressure treated route, I would strongly suggest UC4B or higher pressure treated wood. If you cut any of the boards or put fasteners in, I would retreat with copper naphethate.
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Modern pressure treated wood, for better and worse, is not arsenic and chromate filled, so it needs more help than older varieties. Regardless, the pressure treatment is only in the outside 1/4" or so of the wood, and any cracks larger than an 1/8" or so in the future will need to be addressed.

All the best,

Peter
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #22  
Maybe it depends on what one is hauling. My 12 foot industrial Skid Steer Hauler came with Linseed oiled white Oak. I hauled a lot of gravel from the quarry....some dirt and some rock. I can't saythat the OE deck lasted any longer than the PT 2x6 x12 replacement decks (two deck replacement in 25 years). I did brush on Boiled Linseed oil at least once ....sometimes twice per year. It sits out in the sun all the time.

Cheers,
Mike
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #23  
I need a new deck on my trailer. I have a sawmill but do not have any white oak logs long enough to serve the purpose. BUT, if white oak is going to be that much better than pressure treated wood I will find one.
So my question is: What is better white oak deck boards with the oil/diesel treatment or pressure treated 2x6s? If white oak is the answer, is it THAT MUCH better to go through the trouble of sourcing a white oak log to mill the boards out of? This trailer will primarily be used for moving logs and my trailer. The log loading process will probably not be very kind to the trailer decking.

The old timer that I usually ask about such things seems to think that white oak will be substantially superior to pressure treated. What says ye?
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #24  
@kenhar I think that your location, trailer usage, and how you store the trailer makes a big difference. If you can keep the trailer deck dry, white oak is at the top of my list for toughness, and durability, but it will rot, so I would put some copper naphthenate underneath and oil the upper part.

All the best,

Peter
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #25  
Pressure treated fir is going to be lighter weight than your oak. I like it. I suppose it depends on how you're using the trailer, but if you break it, you are probably doing something it wasn't intended for.

I have 2x12 pressure treated on mine.

I might consider rough cut (full dimension) 2x12s for some applications.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #26  
I didn't see anywhere that anyone mentioned how terribly corrosive modern (ACQ) pressure treated is to anything metal. Fastners and framing in contact with ACQ lumber rot awful fast.

There's a reason the whole market switched over from zinc and galvanized fasteners to ceramic coated and stainless fasteners, right after ACQ lumber replaced CCA. That wasn't a coincidence!

If you can still find some old-school CCA pressure treated, then have at it! But short of that, I'd stick with white oak or any one of the various less expensive African hardwoods popular for decking today.
 
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I didn't see anywhere that anyone mentioned how terribly corrosive modern (ACQ) pressure treated is to anything metal. Fastners and framing in contact with ACQ lumber rot awful fast.

There's a reason the whole market switched over from zinc and galvanized fasteners to ceramic coated and stainless fasteners, right after ACQ lumber replaced CCA. That wasn't a coincidence!

If you can still find some old-school CCA pressure treated, then have at it! But short of that, I'd stick with white oak or any one of the various less expensive African hardwoods popular for decking today.
When did the switch from CCA to ACQ take place?

Well I googled it and looks like 2004.

My trailer was built in 2003 so it has a CCA treated deck.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #28  
When did the switch from CCA to ACQ take place?

Well I googled it and looks like 2004.

My trailer was built in 2003 so it has a CCA treated deck.
2004'ish sounds about right. It took awhile for all the CCA inventory to disappear from distributors and store shelves, as the ACQ production pushed through, so there was a period around then that I remember buying a mix of both.

From the user's perspective, CCA was better in every way, except when you're using it for picnic table tops. It's not something you really want people eating from. :ROFLMAO: But I'd guess the reason for its elimination probably had more to do with pollution from manufacturers handling mass-quantities of chromium and arsenic, than individual health concerns.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #29  
Built a corral out of white oak 2x8 and new cross ties 40 years ago. A few of the boards have been replaced and a couple cross tie have rotted at ground level but still in use today. Our deck is 15 years old, built with treated lumber and some of the boards have rotted and broke through. White oak is the way to go if you can find it.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #30  
Built a corral out of white oak 2x8 and new cross ties 40 years ago. A few of the boards have been replaced and a couple cross tie have rotted at ground level but still in use today. Our deck is 15 years old, built with treated lumber and some of the boards have rotted and broke through. White oak is the way to go if you can find it.
I built some horse stalls out of native white oak about 30 years ago and the impressive thing is that the horses will not chew on it because it's so hard. Horses will chew on treated lumber. The oak looks like it did when I installed it. We've got sawmills around here and they always have some extra white oak from local trees.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #31  
We have a local sawmill, Haecock lumber, where I've always bought my white oak. It's green, not kiln dried, but I do my own "solar kiln" by stacking it in the driveway and building a makeshift tent over it with clear plastic sheeting for a summer.

Just re-decked my own trailer with white oak in September or October, with lumber I had bought back in May, after it'd sat and dried in the driveway over summer:

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/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #32  
Not an intentional bump but rather a thank you. The thank you is for the conversation I got to read. Lots of good comments.

Wife has a small trailer she pulls behind her car. I think the decking is white oak. It's starting to look REAL ugly and when you pull the boards to one side, there appears to be around a three inch gap the full length. Did something break, is that shrinkage? I don't know.

I've had on my mind replacing the deck but was wondering what to use.....white oak, which is what I think is on there or maybe treated. The treated would likely be easier to buy/replace and less costly.

Has me wondering (and I'm now in ramble mode if you want to check out)

five'ish years ago, there was a white oak, approximately 30" diameter that fell in the woods. Root ball uprooted so most of the tree is actually not touching the ground. It's held at the root ball and part of the canopy.

I can cut it and drag it.... I could even plane it to a degree..... my real wondering is would something that's been laying horizontal for a number of years now, have anything in it that could be salvaged for this use?

I ask not thinking about cost or effort..... frankly, I think it would be cool to have something like that if for some reason, it's not absurdly stupid.

Couple short comings.... have a Stihl 044 with 20" bar so that's an initial issue. No ripping chains (or whatever is used to rip a tree) but those are surmountable. Would an 044 (70.7 cc and bone stock, used a bit every year for last 20) would an 044 have the balls to do something like that?
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #33  
If you can still find some old-school CCA pressure treated, then have at it! But short of that, I'd stick with white oak or any one of the various less expensive African hardwoods popular for decking today.
Stupid question perhaps, but where would you find white oak 2x's? It doesn't seem to grow this far north, so a local sawmill probably isn't an option and I didn't see that the box stores carry it either. My trailer's gonna need redecking in the next few years.
 
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... my real wondering is would something that's been laying horizontal for a number of years now, have anything in it that could be salvaged for this use?
Yes, there's likely good heart wood still there. The sap wood is likely a pulpy mess, but you usually mill that off and throw it away, anyway.

I've cut into oaks left in similar state for maybe up to 10 years, and once you get thru the 3" of punky sapwood, the heartwood is almost always fine.

Couple short comings.... have a Stihl 044 with 20" bar so that's an initial issue. No ripping chains (or whatever is used to rip a tree) but those are surmountable. Would an 044 (70.7 cc and bone stock, used a bit every year for last 20) would an 044 have the balls to do something like that?
I'm familiar with the 044. It's a bit small for a milling saw, mine was a 125cc 084, and I think most guys seriously into milling use the 088 (135cc) or larger. But with a little time and care, you can make anything work. Your main enemy will be getting the job done in reasonable time, to avoid wearing yourself out while babying the saw to not overheat it.

That said, why would you want to? It's an awful difficult way to save just a few dollars. Milled oak isn't expensive enough to make killing yourself or your nice old 044 worth all that.

Stupid question perhaps, but where would you find white oak 2x's? It doesn't seem to grow this far north, so a local sawmill probably isn't an option and I didn't see that the box stores carry it either. My trailer's gonna need redecking in the next few years.
There's a local sawmill I've used for years, Haecock Lumber. I just call them up, tell them the lengths and widths I need. In this case, it was something like eleven 2x8x16's, or "21 board-feet of eight-quarter" to the miller. If you let them do random widths, and just tell them your min length and total width sum required, it's even cheaper.

Somewhere early in this thread I posted the cost, I'm sure you can find it. Memory tells me something like $400 - $700... I don't even remember anymore. Definitely not much more than a clean replacement for @Richard's Stihl 044, if he burns it up! And it sounds like my trailer might use 2x or 3x as much decking as his, so he might get it for $200 or less.

I'm sure there's a sawmill somewhere near you that also mills local oak. Down-side is it's usually sold green. I just put it up on 4x4 PT blocks in my driveway, tented it in clear plastic for one summer, as a home-made solar kiln. Does a nice job of drying it, in just a few weeks/months. I'll hose it down with Bora Care pesticide at some point in the process, and let that soak into the pores for another week or three, before cutting the boards to size and installing them.

Do note, this is NOT the quick or easy way to re-deck a trailer. About half way thru the process, I was kinda wishing I'd just done PT, and I've worked with more wood timber in more old houses than most guys. It yields a nice result, but it's days of work, versus just a few hours to slap down dimensional 2x8x16 PT's.
 
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@Oaktree I doubt that you would find white oak in a box store, but there's white oak around in your area, or perhaps just across the border in Maine. (I used to hike around your area.) I don't know where your closest sawmill or lumber yard is, but I would start there, failing that, ask at a furniture maker, or boat builder's or marina for a good source.

I would redo the trailer deck in white oak over PT every time. If the oak you get is not kiln dried, I would dry for awhile before installing it, same for pressure treated which is wet when you buy it. No matter what you install, after it is installed, I would coat it with an oil based stain or waterproofing solution on the top side.

All the best,

Peter
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #36  
Richard, I was advised by a utility trailer mfgr. to place the boards as tight together as possible when re-decking a trailer, regardless of type wood.
I was in the process of re-decking a 8'x24' trailer and wanted as small cracks as possible.
I used 2, 6' furniture clamps to squeeze the boards tight together, then drilled the bolts holes from the bottom side, using the existing bolt holes in the frame and braces.
Two years later there was a ¼" crack between all the white oak boards.
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #37  
Richard, I was advised by a utility trailer mfgr. to place the boards as tight together as possible when re-decking a trailer, regardless of type wood.
I was in the process of re-decking a 8'x24' trailer and wanted as small cracks as possible.
I used 2, 6' furniture clamps to squeeze the boards tight together, then drilled the bolts holes from the bottom side, using the existing bolt holes in the frame and braces.
Two years later there was a ¼" crack between all the white oak boards.
Yes, you basically can't have it too tight, hitch is why I like to start with dry lumber.

All the best, Peter
 
/ Tractor decking - White Oak vs. Pressure Treated #38  
Richard, I was advised by a utility trailer mfgr. to place the boards as tight together as possible when re-decking a trailer, regardless of type wood.
If starting with PT or green lumber, then yes. But if starting with KD or indoor-dried lumber, then don't do this, or you'll likely blow your trailer sides out at the cross-member welds.

KD lumber usually comes in around 8% MC, as can lumber that's been air dried indoors long enough to reach equillibrium. Wood stored outdoors in our area has a yearly average equillibrium 15% MC, and that can run into the low-20%'s, as seasons and weather varies.

Oak's width expansion coefficient runs about .0026 to .0037, times W*dMC%. So a change from KD = 8% to outdoors in a wet month = 18% would have a 6' wide trailer deck expand by 1.88 to 2.66 inches.

There's a reason all decks are laid with gaps!

That said, fresh-cut oak starts out around 60 - 80%, and might still be 20% - 40% after a few weeks in storage. If indeed it is that high, then sure... lay it tight! Likewise with sopping wet PT wood, it's only going to shrink after install.

Knowing your wood MC% can be as easy as weighing a few boards, and comparing to tables for that species. I also have a moisture meter, with probes that penetrate the wood, but white oak is very difficult to penetrate, and you need to cut and split a board to measure in the middle, as measuring from outside always gives false low average readings. Weighing is easier.
 
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I might have missed it, what is the best home brew to spray or roll on a trailer deck ? Does it matter what type of boards are on the deck, or does one mixture work for all the different types of boards ?
 
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I might have missed it, what is the best home brew to spray or roll on a trailer deck ? Does it matter what type of boards are on the deck, or does one mixture work for all the different types of boards ?
YMMV on this one, I think. Partly, I think it is due to the local climate, and partly on how the trailer is used.

I know folks who coat decking with used motor oil successfully for them, but I'm not wild about it personally. Around here, I've gone to copper naphthenate on pressure treated wood which stinks and stains, followed by something like Thompson's water seal, or an oil based stain, and treating white oak with a coat of 50/50 mix of paint thinner and linseed oil, followed by linseed oil. But this is a very dry climate, and we do not have the moisture of the PNW, or east of, say, Nebraska.

But again, I think it makes a big difference for what is being trailered, how the trailer is stored, climate, and how often the underside of the decking gets wet. If your trailer is moving earthmoving equipment like dozers, your deck will probably die from physical wear and tear long before the surface treatment makes a difference.

All the best,

Peter
 
 
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