Particulate filter

[Suburban Plowboy]

Nobody who is concerned about buying a product wants to hear from the lucky ones.

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

A particulate filter doesn't worry me in the least - I just ordered a 35hp tractor that will have a filter. No big deal - just let it burn off when it wants and it'll be fine. I suspect the relatively few people who do have problems are because they weren't patient enough to allow it regen. DEF is a different story. My motorhome is on a Freightliner chassis with DEF. Besides the DEF head/sensor failures that are incredibly common there's also the issue of shelf life. My motorhome gets used enough that it's always relatively fresh. My tractor will get less use and will not go through DEF at the rate my motorhome does so I would have to worry about it going bad. Fortunately the tractors in the horsepower range that require DEF are well above what I need.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

It's not just about the DPF itself ... It's the sensors and computer , plus extra wiring that can all shut it down ... Just adds a lot of extra monkey wrenches into the mix of possibilities ... Not a hassle I wanted to sign up for with my money ... My boss buys the trucks that they have to comply with federal mandates, plus California ... ! I just drive it!

 

[4570Man]

Nobody who is concerned about buying a product wants to hear from the lucky ones.

Id a lot rather hear from someone successfully using the product vs someone who has never owned it.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

While I've never owned or operated a tractor with only a DPF ... I've been driving trucks that had the DPF since they came out ... I run over 150,000 miles per year ... What's your experience?

 

[4570Man]

While I've never owned or operated a tractor with only a DPF ... I've been driving trucks that had the DPF since they came out ... I run over 150,000 miles per year ... What's your experience?

I have a 2017 truck with DEF, a 2019 truck with, DEF, a 2015 skid steer with a DPF, a second skid steer that’s 2022 maybe with a DPF and a mini x with a DPF. The 2019 truck I don’t use much but the rest of the equipment is working every day.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

To get a tractor with the HP and weight to replace my old one I will be dealing with a DPF. Is this something I can live with?

If the old one has been doing the job, maybe it just needs a bit of TLC? Or even a rebuild?

Another thing I just remembered, just last month the EPA came out with a proposal (it's not law and written in stone yet!) about abolishing ALL greenhouse gasses emissions standards for vehicles and engine's ... EPA Releases Proposal to Rescind Obama-Era Endangerment Finding, Regulations that Paved the Way for Electric Vehicle Mandates | US EPA they are having a 45 day comment period, then will do "something " ...

If you can hold out until that is decided, and wait for the manufacturers to respond with new tractors without the computer controlled stuff, if that's what they decide ... I would.

My company buys over 100 semi-trucks every year, we started last year doubling up on the purchases, to have a newer fleet, when the new tier 5 is due to come out in 2028, so we could skip buying those new tier 5 trucks for the first two years, while others got to be the guinea pigs, and hopefully they could get the majority of the problems worked out before we bought any ...

 

[Shawn T. W.]

I have a 2017 truck with DEF, a 2019 truck with, DEF, a 2015 skid steer with a DPF, a second skid steer that’s 2022 maybe with a DPF and a mini x with a DPF. The 2019 truck I don’t use much but the rest of the equipment is working every day.

And ... No emissions related problems I presume?

 

[walnutman]

This is very true.
It should also be noted that it's mostly people who have had trouble that post. Not many that I've seen.
People that are happy generally don't post.

The problem with my tractor is it never breaks down.

 

[Ozwaldo]

If the old one has been doing the job, maybe it just needs a bit of TLC? Or even a rebuild?

Another thing I just remembered, just last month the EPA came out with a proposal (it's not law and written in stone yet!) about abolishing ALL greenhouse gasses emissions standards for vehicles and engine's ... EPA Releases Proposal to Rescind Obama-Era Endangerment Finding, Regulations that Paved the Way for Electric Vehicle Mandates | US EPA they are having a 45 day comment period, then will do "something " ...

If you can hold out until that is decided, and wait for the manufacturers to respond with new tractors without the computer controlled stuff, if that's what they decide ... I would.

My company buys over 100 semi-trucks every year, we started last year doubling up on the purchases, to have a newer fleet, when the new tier 5 is due to come out in 2028, so we could skip buying those new tier 5 trucks for the first two years, while others got to be the guinea pigs, and hopefully they could get the majority of the problems worked out before we bought any ...

The problem is not so much with the tractors I have. I'm getting old and sore. My 424 has such a miserable clutch design I rarely use it. My JD is better but getting around the shift hump is getting old too. I'm getting a new knee this winter so that should help but I spend so much time on tractors I would like a flat floor and hydrostatic transmission.

 

[Ozwaldo]

The problem with my tractor is it never breaks down.

Considering my newest tractor is a 1969 its had very little troubles.

 

[CoyPatton]

I have no experience with DPF systems, but know people who have had machines shut down due to issues with these systems. Some of these have been cause by bad sensors that tell the computer there is no DEF present.
Unfortunately you have limited options. But to run this system if needing a new or fairly new tractor soon.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

Whatever comes after the present systems will surely be much worse.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

Id a lot rather hear from someone successfully using the product vs someone who has never owned it.

You learn nothing that way. He is asking if people have had problems, and they have. He needs input from the many people who have owned these machines and had them fail.

Your approach is like going to Amazon, spending a grand on a product, and refusing to look at the bad reviews. The bad reviews are more helpful than the good ones.

 

[Ozwaldo]

I have no experience with DPF systems, but know people who have had machines shut down due to issues with these systems. Some of these have been cause by bad sensors that tell the computer there is no DEF present.
Unfortunately you have limited options. But to run this system if needing a new or fairly new tractor soon.

At least there is a 5 year warranty on emissions. That may outlive me hah.

 

[4570Man]

You learn nothing that way. He is asking if people have had problems, and they have. He needs input from the many people who have owned these machines and had them fail.

Your approach is like going to Amazon, spending a grand on a product, and refusing to look at the bad reviews. The bad reviews are more helpful than the good ones.

Well, the mechanic shops were busy long before DPFs ever existed. Better just buy a shovel. DPFs work fairly reliably and I wouldn’t let that stop me from buying the machine I wanted.

 

[jyoutz]

The replies from people who haven't had problems yet aren't actually useful.

Neither are replies from the minor few who have had problems.

 

[jyoutz]

While I've never owned or operated a tractor with only a DPF ... I've been driving trucks that had the DPF since they came out ... I run over 150,000 miles per year ... What's your experience?

The type of usage you get commercially far exceeds the amount of hours that noncommercial use will compile for either a truck or tractor. It’s far more likely that your usage will wear out components than non commercial users would.

 

[DieselBound]

Let's predict the future!

There will likely be an economic collapse before the DPF on my Kioti is an issue. My wallet will break, and therefore my ability to operate my tractor, before my tractor's DPF/emissions system breaks.

My 2016 Kioti has 1,100 hrs with no issues (only issues I've had were leaking rear diff cases and leaking cab- both dealt with under warranty).

For sure there are POTENTIAL problems. People were predicting the end of the automotive world when computers were introduced. My cars are all older than 20 years and all have over 200k miles and ZERO computer issues.

I like the poll idea.

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

I have no experience with DPF systems, but know people who have had machines shut down due to issues with these systems. Some of these have been cause by bad sensors that tell the computer there is no DEF present.
Unfortunately you have limited options. But to run this system if needing a new or fairly new tractor soon.

DPF and DEF are two different (but related) things. Tractors between 25-75 hp have DPF which seem pretty reliable. Tractors above 75 HP have DEF. I don't know how reliable DEF systems are on tractors but on semis and diesel RVs they have been plagued with expensive problems.