Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

[Duds13]

So Trump threatens tariffs and things have already begun to show signs of improvement. What a great step in the right direction for America. Love to see that other countries are beginning to respect us again.

Nailed it. 47 has accomplished more since 11/5 and 11/6 than Uncle Bosie has in 60 years in government

 

[square1]

I have pursued a balanced portolio all my life. And while you continue to personally attack me, which is usually against the rules, I’ll remind you the topic is about tractors/tarrifs, not about personal vendettas.

A trait of a well rounded individual is accepting constructive criticism without taking it as a personal attach.

Me living inside your head rent free is not attacking you.

 

[Hay Dude]

A trait of a well rounded individual is accepting constructive criticism without taking it as a personal attach.

Me living inside your head rent free is not attacking you.

Now lets get back to tariffs and tractors, ok big guy? You’re constantly taking us off topic. You can always use PM’s. That’ll help keep the discussion going in a positive direction.

 

[Hay Dude]

Nailed it. 47 has accomplished more since 11/5 and 11/6 than Uncle Bosie has in 60 years in government

Amazing isn’t it? I mean just the expertly timed threat of tariffs has brought back respect from the depths and lows we are currently in.
Maybe as a result, more tractors will also be made here and we can enjoy more domestic production instead of having everything made in China?

My Challenger MT655E was made in Jackson, MN USA. Although Challenger Tractor has been finished off, maybe some tariffs will bring some production back home?

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I guess a tariff will actually have to be implemented, for us to have a real discussion.

It appears small Kubotas are manufactured in the US, so the only hit may be to the steel that they import? For some odd reason both Joe and Trump want to block an Italian company from saving US Steel, in that case, US Steel is going close plants because they are old, inefficient and not competitive. I think both men are probably wrong on that decision.

I'm more interested in a 1970s Farmall than I am a new import at this point in time, however.

 

[Hay Dude]

I guess a tariff will actually have to be implemented, for us to have a real discussion.

Seems like just the threat has done al lot, though.

It appears small Kubotas are manufactured in the US, so the only hit may be to the steel that they import? For some odd reason both Joe and Trump want to block an Italian company from saving US Steel, in that case, US Steel is going close plants because they are old, inefficient and not competitive. I think both men are probably wrong on that decision.

Huh, I thought they assembled them here? Never saw a USA made small kubota engine. My zero turns and my F were all Japanese made. Would be cool.

I'm more interested in a 1970s Farmall than I am a new import at this point in time, however.

Damn, I just practically gave away hundreds of Farmall parts…

 

[Duds13]

Amazing isn’t it? I mean just the expertly timed threat of tariffs has brought back respect from the depths and lows we are currently in.
Maybe as a result, more tractors will also be made here and we can enjoy more domestic production instead of having everything made in China?

My Challenger MT655E was made in Jackson, MN USA. Although Challenger Tractor has been finished off, maybe some tariffs will bring some production back home?

Sure hope. It's damn near impossible to find something made in the good ole USA these days. I just purchased some Lowa shoes made in Slovakia and Haix boots made in Croatia to avoid China crap.

 

[Hay Dude]

Sure hope. It's damn near impossible to find something made in the good ole USA these days. I just purchased some Lowa shoes made in Slovakia and Haix boots made in Croatia to avoid China crap.

And for all the critics of tariffs…..doesn’t China and other countries tariff the bejeebers out of some of our exports to them?

 

[jyoutz]

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I'm not going to complain, when our gains are 30% this year in our accounts. But it looks like November was the best month by a small margin. Certainly doesn't seem like the sky is falling. And it's up 1% in just the first week in December, which would equate to 52% if it kept that pace. But we all know how the markets work, they fluctuate. My point was, after a historic win by 47, it looks like just more winning, and we should all hope for that.

I’m going to treasuries in January until we see how the tariffs shake out.

 

[bvanek]

And for all the critics of tariffs…..doesn’t China and other countries tariff the bejeebers out of some of our exports to them?

Critics usually get it wrong and the general public should pay little attention to knee-jerk rants. Smart people in charge now so it's best we let them....well, "be in charge" Could be a major step forward given the last four years of no-one in charge, or in charge of decline.
yes, China is by far the worst, but it's not just them
The trade imbalance has been closeted in the name of globalism. Free trade to them means that the US needs to absorb the difference and make up for it with global diversity. With 37 trillion in debt, that plan has fallen on some hard times with a heavy taxpayer mortgage today let alone our future

Lots of invested people in globalism so they are the squeaky wheel. (but behind the scenes these once naysayers have a positive outlook getting America more competitive within) The legitimate ones are not against reinvesting in America .... "a rising tide floats all boats" so this might have the same benefits to all classes, as it did in Trumps first term.
Keeping the dollar as the worlds # 1 trading currency is also at stake. Money manipulation creates a false sense of economic viability and "free trade" gets the paper shuffle with the elites holding all the cards. Nefarious China as the main beneficiary.

Squawking about tariffs is knee-jerk at this point, but maybe they just don't like the new Sheriff? .....Sadly the controlling elites in our country and abroad have moved our economy away from independence and into dependence. Pretty convinced it's not serving the working class or small farmers and businesses. Think the majority of Americans have the same notion.

 

[rScotty]

That’s more like what I am seeing. I have some accounts up as high as 35%, most in the upper 20’s. Heck even gold is up like 29%.
That is great, but inflation steals away investment money.

There is inflation and there is the cost of consumer goods. Very different things - inflation steals away money while it is invested, and consumer prices steal it away when it is spent. But both steal it away.

Balancing a 30% increase - or any increase - in investment value requires that production of everything from wheat, oil, education, tractors, goods, and housing has to increase by more than that much. And also requires that consumers are willing to pay those higher prices.

That's probably not going to happen. So what happens then?

rScotty

 

[ultrarunner]

The world is changing…

After WWII America alone had more wealth than the rest of the world.

Fast forward and the world is energy dependent and the underlying motive is often tied to oil…

Globalism let’s any nation trade with any other in simple terms…

The American Navy is really the only Blue Water Navy of size in the world and the defacto policeman of the world.

Americans I feel are tired of this and what may be coming is regionalism… North America for us.

For this to work America has to rebuild its industrial base…

We have gone decades with out much happening and now it appears we are at the end of that long cycle.

Tariffs are part of that reset…

Japan saw this coming and opted to go to its customer base building factories both to build a beach head and also to minimize their own population decline.

I don’t see the same for China and Russia… unless they trade to each other…

 

[bvanek]

For this to work America has to rebuild its industrial base…

We have gone decades with out much happening and now it appears we are at the end of that long cycle.

Tariffs are part of that reset…

I agree

the Monroe Doctrine? Those founding fathers had some pretty good insight on how to form and keep America's new found identity viable. Regional security being a key to preserving democratic republics in the region. Industry, innovation and free enterprise, eventually provided both the military strength and the economic stability to make sure it was not lost. Mexico and Canada benefited from this as they gained a strong regional support partner in the middle. They should unite with us on terms equitable to both sides.

 

[jyoutz]

I agree

the Monroe Doctrine? Those founding fathers had some pretty good insight on how to form and keep America's new found identity viable. Regional security being a key to preserving democratic republics in the region. Industry, innovation and free enterprise, eventually provided both the military strength and the economic stability to make sure it was not lost. Mexico and Canada benefited from this as they gained a strong regional support partner in the middle. They should unite with us on terms equitable to both sides.

U.S. manufacturing is already very integrated with Mexico and Canada. We need to build on this.

 

[5030]

And also requires that consumers are willing to pay those higher prices.

Already happening Scotty and has been for a while now. You look ar your grocery bill lately or how about the cost if new tractors or anything consumer oriented.

We are going to have to bear some pain before it even thinks about getting better. We have had almost 4 years of digressive leadership but there is a new sheriff in town now. Someone who knows how things work but it will take some time to come around. Our last leader didn't no anything, except how to spend money that wasn't his and is continuing to do so and will I predict right up to January 20th when he's 'fired'.

 

[Hay Dude]

The world is changing…

After WWII American alone had more wealth than the rest of the world.

Fast forward and the world is energy dependent and the underlying motive is often tied to oil…

Globalism let’s any nation trade with any other in simple terms…

The American Navy is really the only Blue Water Navy of size in the world and the defacto policeman of the world.

American’s I feel are tired of this and what may be coming is regionalism… North America for us.

For this to work America has to rebuild its industrial base…

We have gone decades with out much happening and now it appears we are at the end of that long cycle.

Tariffs are part of that reset…

Japan saw this coming and opted to go to its customer base building factories both to build a beach head and also to minimize their own population decline.

I don’t see the same for China and Russia… unless they trade to each other…

I fear in the next war the surface Navy(s) will go the way of the horse in the beginning of WW-2.
Especially the aircraft carrier.

 

[square1]

I fear in the next war the surface Navy(s) will go the way of the horse in the beginning of WW-2.
Especially the aircraft carrier.

Hey, let's stick to tariffs & tractors please

 

[rScotty]

Already happening Scotty and has been for a while now. You look ar your grocery bill lately or how about the cost if new tractors or anything consumer oriented.

We are going to have to bear some pain before it even thinks about getting better. We have had almost 4 years of digressive leadership but there is a new sheriff in town now. Someone who knows how things work but it will take some time to come around. Our last leader didn't no anything, except how to spend money that wasn't his and is continuing to do so and will I predict right up to January 20th when he's 'fired'.

Well. I'm more into tractors than politics. But it doesn't take much arithmetic to see that almost half the voters think the last leader didn't do right, and the other half - give or take one or two percent - think they were lucky to have him do what was necessary to prevent even larger problems.

My own hope is that we are not able to tell which side called those leadership years correctly for at least another 4 years and hopefully much longer.

Because as long as we are still debating ifs, ands, buts, & possibilities, that means we haven't taken an irrevocable step in any one direction - which may be about as good as we can hope for in our democracy.

rScotty

 

[Hay Dude]

A little reminder of the period we just went through, and still are going through. This affects the buying power we have for tractors & equipment and money left over for our investments. So, even though it’s not as bad as the guys here that harken back to the Great Depression or the Carter era, it’s still pretty unreal. Auto insurance up 58%! Food up 22%. Energy up 29%.
Ain’t a person on this web page that doesn’t need a significant amount of all 3

 

[Duds13]

A little reminder of the period we just went through, and still are going through. This affects the buying power we have for tractors & equipment and money left over for our investments. So, even though it’s not as bad as the guys here that harken back to the Great Depression or the Carter era, it’s still pretty unreal. Auto insurance up 58%! Food up 22%. Energy up 29%.
Ain’t a person on this web page that doesn’t need a significant amount of all 3

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