Reversible fan retrofit anyone?

   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #41  
I would estimate more like 0.5-6 hp , idle to full rpms.
10hp would have to be a massive fan at high rpms
I really don't know actually but the solid mount fans on the M9's are pretty large.

I went out and checked the 2 reverseable 24" diameter fans I purchased this spring and they are rated for 10 amp draw at 2300 CFM each. Like I stated, 10 amps is chump change with a 70 amp can. In reality, the 24" diameter will fit nicely in the rad cowl once I remove the conventional fan. 4 brackets should do the trick I suspect. If, for some reason the 70 can isn't enough, I'll up the can to a 100 amp. I don't believe it will be an issue however.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #42  
Doubt it, unless you have a way to reverse the blade leading trailing edges. Good fan blades are shaped like an airfoil, and won’t perform as well running backwards
The reversible fans we had on out TD-15C and TD-20B had blades that rotated about 180° so the blade was the same profile, just moving air the opposite direction. Would have them blow hot air forward in the summer and back over the operator in the winter.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #43  
I helped FLEXXAIRE with dimensions on the kubota m5 and a wacker neuson
St40 great people to work with and listen to all Input their fans are flawless have over 2900 hours on both m5 and wacker has 1200 have a self timer set
For every twenty minutes which can be changed also have manual switch
Simple
Installation also mine are all hydraulic no air installs
Plus worked at
The landfill all the dozers had them never had a failure but blades did wear out
All the chafe from the trash
So sometimes cheap
Is cool
Other times well
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #44  
If electric, on demand fans don't work, then why do 99% of newer cars have them. Simple answer, dependable, less expensive and more efficient when it comes to parasitic losses associated with mechanically driven fans.

I'd say at 2400 CFM at rated rpm, the ones I purchased this last spring should theoretically move more than enough air to work just peachy but again, I'll find out first hand. ...and being electrically reversable is a big plus for me as well.

Of course I'm more interested in reverse rotation more than anything else, so I don't have to stop and blow the rad core out many times a day and at 2400 CFM, my air flow over the ac condenser should be more than adequate. When you have numerous heat exchangers proud of the actual radiator, air flow across them is of paramount importance and Kubota deems it necessary to mount those heat exchangers well away from the cooling fan anyway and with no streamlining of that airflow either.


On my M's, the space between the actual rad and the AC condensor and the charge air cooler and the hydraulic oil cooler, they are all stacked one on top of another so thermal efficiency sucks and turbulence reigns supreme and of course the big Group 31 starting battery is smack dab in front of all that as well. Japanese tractor builders should take a cue from JD and mount the starting batteries on the side of the frames, not out front, further blocking airflow.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #45  
I went out and checked the 2 reverseable 24" diameter fans I purchased this spring and they are rated for 10 amp draw at 2300 CFM each. Like I stated, 10 amps is chump change with a 70 amp can. In reality, the 24" diameter will fit nicely
Are you using a 12 volt system on these 10 amp 24” fans? That’s only 120 watts, which is 0.16 hp. That’s not much on a 2’ fan.
Good news is, you won’t have much fan power to wedge debris into your radiator screen and fins. Bad news is, you won’t have enough power to blow what does gets stuck, back out.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #46  
If electric, on demand fans don't work, then why do 99% of newer cars have them. Simple answer, dependable, less expensive and more efficient when it comes to parasitic losses associated with mechanically driven fans.
Your points are all valid but you missed a major one. The simple answer is because they don't need them. There's adequate airflow at speed and when the engine is idling at lower speeds higher airflow isn't needed.

I don't know about pickup trucks with diesel engines and set up for towing but I'd be inclined to think that they would have mechanical fans. I know I haven't seen a tractor with an electric fan.

It would be interesting to see how your Kubota's would do on a dyno pulling rated horse power for half an hour on a hot day with only electric fans.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #47  
Your points are all valid but you missed a major one. The simple answer is because they don't need them. There's adequate airflow at speed and when the engine is idling at lower speeds higher airflow isn't needed.

I don't know about pickup trucks with diesel engines and set up for towing but I'd be inclined to think that they would have mechanical fans. I know I haven't seen a tractor with an electric fan.

It would be interesting to see how your Kubota's would do on a dyno pulling rated horse power for half an hour on a hot day with only electric fans.
A possibility in as much as my Kubota dealer has his own PTO dyno. When I had them crank up my M's the lead mechanic set them via the dyno. Candidly, I'm gonna do it no matter what anyway Think I'll leave it at that for now.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #48  
The simple answer is because they don't need them
They sure do... How do you think the climate control transfers heat on a hot day at slow speeds? Even my wife's Suburban has electric cooling fans and they run when she's at speed crusing down the e-way. It actually has 3 electric cooling fans and they are sequential in operation, depending on sensed heat load.
 
   / Reversible fan retrofit anyone? #49  
They sure do... How do you think the climate control transfers heat on a hot day at slow speeds? Even my wife's Suburban has electric cooling fans and they run when she's at speed crusing down the e-way. It actually has 3 electric cooling fans and they are sequential in operation, depending on sensed heat load.
They don't need mechanical fans......
 

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