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[WinterDeere]

oh, and speaking of WW2 declarations of war….

 

[Jstpssng]

oh, and speaking of WW2 declarations of war….

Rueben James... Wasn't that a Kenny Rogers song?

 

[MossRoad]

Go back to school or better yet put on a uniform for few years.

Maybe you should read some history...

Faced with severe shortages of oil and other natural resources and driven by the ambition to displace the United States as the dominant Pacific power, Japan decided to attack the United States and British forces in Asia and seize the resources of Southeast Asia.

 

[MossRoad]

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She said, "There was no reason. We just attacked." That seems overly simplified to me, but I haven't heard much about the oil and steel industry in Hawaii.

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There was no oil or steel in Hawaii. There was the American fleet that was going to keep Japan in check for their aggressiveness in invading everything they could get their hands on in the south Pacific to gain the natural resources they so desperately needed.

Faced with severe shortages of oil and other natural resources and driven by the ambition to displace the United States as the dominant Pacific power, Japan decided to attack the United States and British forces in Asia and seize the resources of Southeast Asia.

 

[LouNY]

Maybe you should read some history...

Faced with severe shortages of oil and other natural resources and driven by the ambition to displace the United States as the dominant Pacific power, Japan decided to attack the United States and British forces in Asia and seize the resources of Southeast Asia.

Took you a long time to goggle that response,
They attacked because they wished to dominate the world, pure and simple.

 

[MossRoad]

Took you a long time to goggle that response,
They attacked because they wished to dominate the world, pure and simple.

It didn't take me any time to google that response. I rarely visit TBN on the weekends anymore, as my family life is more fun.

My father was in the south pacific in WWII for 3 years in a combat engineering battalion. I've got a pretty decent understanding of how and why Japan entered WWII and the after affects.

Japan was landlocked with no oil or steel, so they needed to go after those resources. They did not want to dominate the entire world. They wanted to dominate the South Pacific, the eastern portion of China, and Korea.

So they figured they could attack the US at Pearl Harbor, kill the carriers, sue for peace, and keep the concurred lands in the south pacific. Well, the carriers weren't home and they severely underestimated the industrial might of the U.S. to rebuild the war machine faster than Japan could take it out. And that's about that.

No invasion of the Japanese islands would have been needed once Japan's forces were pushed back to their islands, but a total blockade would have taken decades to resolve. Japan was done before the atomic bombs were dropped. It was just a matter of time. Japan was contained. The U.S. could have sued for peace and gotten it. That's not the way it turned out, of course, but that's one scenario that is pretty popular as to 'what if's?".

 

[LouNY]

It didn't take me any time to google that response. I rarely visit TBN on the weekends anymore, as my family life is more fun.

My father was in the south pacific in WWII for 3 years in a combat engineering battalion. I've got a pretty decent understanding of how and why Japan entered WWII and the after affects.

Japan was landlocked with no oil or steel, so they needed to go after those resources. They did not want to dominate the entire world. They wanted to dominate the South Pacific, the eastern portion of China, and Korea.

So they figured they could attack the US at Pearl Harbor, kill the carriers, sue for peace, and keep the concurred lands in the south pacific. Well, the carriers weren't home and they severely underestimated the industrial might of the U.S. to rebuild the war machine faster than Japan could take it out. And that's about that.

No invasion of the Japanese islands would have been needed once Japan's forces were pushed back to their islands, but a total blockade would have taken decades to resolve. Japan was done before the atomic bombs were dropped. It was just a matter of time. Japan was contained. The U.S. could have sued for peace and gotten it. That's not the way it turned out, of course, but that's one scenario that is pretty popular as to 'what if's?".

Good response except for the last paragraph.
That is pure bull crap, until that island was invaded and conquered there would have been no peace as they had no desire for peace.

 

[WinterDeere]

Yes, this issue has been debated, quite-hotly in the post-war years. Many suggest that Japan could have been just blockaded, and eventually surrendered. However, nearly every actual expert who has dug into this theory has concluded that it is false, and based either on incorrect assumptions, or at the very least failing to account for what was known by both sides at the time.

There's a popular paper on this subject, you can download it from a half-dozen sources for free, called "The Starvation Myth: The US Blockade of Japan in WW2", written by Christopher Clary, a professor of political science, whose research is focused on south Asian politics. I honestly don't know if this paper was accepted (reviewed/published), as the format doesn't conform to the standards of the research journals that I normally read and have published in, but it does dive into each of the popular arguments behind Moss's blockade proposal.

 

[MossRoad]

Good response except for the last paragraph.
That is pure bull crap, until that island was invaded and conquered there would have been no peace as they had no desire for peace.

Who cares if there would be no peace. They could no longer wage war off of their main islands. They were done. As has been learned many times since then, once you have an enemy isolated on an island with little natural resources, there's no point in invading the island. Japan had no steel to build new war machines. They had no oil to fuel them or the industries to make them. They were done. They were surrounded. They could sit there on their islands and shake their fists, but could no longer wage war off the Japanese islands. It was over.

 

[MossRoad]

Yes, this issue has been debated, quite-hotly in the post-war years. Many suggest that Japan could have been just blockaded, and eventually surrendered. However, nearly every actual expert who has dug into this theory has concluded that it is false, and based either on incorrect assumptions, or at the very least failing to account for what was known by both sides at the time.

There's a popular paper on this subject, you can download it from a half-dozen sources for free, called "The Starvation Myth: The US Blockade of Japan in WW2", written by Christopher Clary, a professor of political science, whose research is focused on south Asian politics. I honestly don't know if this paper was accepted (reviewed/published), as the format doesn't conform to the standards of the research journals that I normally read and have published in, but it does dive into each of the popular arguments behind Moss's blockade proposal.

And as I mentioned, it's just one train of thought. I'm just thankful to have had my father survive it.