Why are Massey ferguson and Yanmar so much more than TYm for what seems like less??

[tjklein]

So looking for a new /used tractor- I have looked at the MF-1835/1840 and the YanmarYT235- but for less $$ or the same I can get a TYM 474 which has more HP and more options as std- So why is the MF/Yanmar more $$- Are they that much a better tractor and if so why??- thks for the advice-

 

[scootr]

So looking for a new /used tractor- I have looked at the MF-1835/1840 and the YanmarYT235- but for less $$ or the same I can get a TYM 474 which has more HP and more options as std- So why is the MF/Yanmar more $$- Are they that much a better tractor and if so why??- thks for the advice-

I think partially it's because the name brand says they are worth more. Like buying a Deere or a Mercedes. The other part is likely that the cheaper tractor does have some cheaper parts on it and was built by cheaper labor. The choice depends upon your needs and your budget. I wouldn't recommend the cheapest anything for commercial or heavy use. But if you are just hobby farming the TYM could be a good choice. Kioti too.

 

[jyoutz]

One caution (broken record on this site): consider the local dealer support no matter what you buy. It ought to be a primary decision criteria.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Add product support. Too much of this Korengineered stuff has a problem of spare parts disappearing after just a few years. It seems these companies combine, then separate again, and the models produced during those years are discontinued, forgotten, and more or less orphaned. If you happen to own one and need anything other than off the shelf bearings, seals, and belts, you can be looking for a while.

 

[Tractorable]

Because Massey Ferguson (Iseki), Yanmar, and Kubota are all made in Japan. It’s more expensive to manufacture in Japan and Made in Japan products are known to be high quality.

You can get more power and options for the same or less money going with Korean made TYM, LS, and Kioti.

Similar to why Honda and Toyota cost more than Kia and Hyundai.

 

[paulsharvey]

Ok, so, let's start by on the MF, 1835E vs 1835M. What I've seen the E series is very competitive in pricing. The nicer M series are up there on price.

Deere has the same system; don't really think Kubota/Kioti/TYM have an economy vs full fearuew series in the same class of machine. Yanmar, no idea on their system, they kinda are a weird niche machine in my part of the world, some Mahindra dealers have them, but those particular dealers are mostly Gravel/Mahindra/dump trailer outfits, with some Yanmars. That's not to say they aren't good machines, they just are common here.

 

[paulsharvey]

What I see, MF 1840E, $28,900; for a 4x4, hydro, with loader. That's competiveky priced with a CK4010, and frankly, probably beats it. TYM 3515H is like $27,900. Now, for some reason, a TYM 494 is only $29,500, HST, loader, 4x4... If I was in the market, specifically looking at TYM, I would be hard pressed to not step up from 35hp to 49ho for just $1600.

It looks like a MF 1840M, loader ,HST, 4x4, is running $36,100

So, what I'm saying; if you are comparing the price and machines; make sure you actually are comparing them. As in, don't look at/test drive an E, and look at the price of an M. Totally different machines.

 

[Tractorable]

The Yanmar YM347/359 are their economy shuttle shift tractors. The Yanmar YT347/359 are their deluxe tractors.

 

[paulsharvey]

I dont have any issue with TYM at all (or LS or Kioti, or Mahindra) But, if you offered me comparable machines, at the same price; I would likely choose Massey/Kubota/Deere/New Holland, before I choose Kioti (and I own one)/LS/TYM. Yanmar is a hard fit, I'd might go Kioti/LS then Yanmar, then TYM/Mahindra.

That is partly, there just aren't many Yanmars around, and I question their commitment to the US compact market,

 

[CaptPat]

One could ask the same question as to why Deere and Kubota are more expensive than a better-equipped MF. I don't have any reasons to add to what previous posters have identified. For me, it came down to the dealer. If TYM floats your boat go for it.

 

[cdaigle430]

yes, check up on the reviews as far as support and parts availability. I almost went Mahindra before I went Massey. Massey sold me because when I test drove it it seemed more solid and the parts and support team were really helpful. That was 14 years ago-no regrets.

today I would consider Branson, Kioti, Tym, Kubota and John Deere because they are close to my home.

 

[Williy]

The one's that own Yanmar equipment know the engines are very dependable as its rare if they have any engine problems. there are
a lot of tractors that have a Yanmar diesel engine Here are some of
equipment that uses Yanmar diesel engines:

• Generator sets: Yanmar diesel and gas generators are used in many applications, including emergency backup power for schools, hospitals, factories, and more.
  Tractors: Yanmar engines are used in tractors. In the US, John Deere rebrands and markets Yanmar engines.
  Wheel loaders: Yanmar's articulated wheel loaders are powered by diesel engines and can move heavy loads.
  Marine equipment: Yanmar engines are used in commercial and recreational marine equipment, including propulsion engines and auxiliary engines.
  Construction equipment: Yanmar engines are used in construction equipment.
  Tracked carriers: Yanmar tracked carriers can haul heavy loads across difficult terrain.
  Combine harvesters: Yanmar engines are used in combine harvesters.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  willy

 

[paulsharvey]

Willy is 100% correct. My only hesitation with Yanmar is they were in US, then did the weird cub cadet partnership, then left us market, then reenter. That's specifically compact tractors, they never left for marine engines/other stuff. When all that happened they lost almost all of their dealers. If you have confidence they are sticking around, I don't doubt their quality. Guess I'm saying, if there are 2 or 3 dealers within a 4 hour drive, sure; but I'd you only have a single dealer, I would skip. Not that you will need the dealer, but just parts.

 

[Torvy]

If I had the same question, all else being equal, I'd get the Yanmar (deluxe line) over anyone.

Why I got TYM over Yanmar...value and dealer support. Yanmar makes a great machine, but they don't have the US network to price at that level. My guess is they do so because they know they could not deliver units and parts if the volume was that high.

Massey has the legacy name, but their compacts are made (at least in part) by Iseki. Their dealers are about the same for me as TYM, but value is not as good. You just cannot get as much for your money.

The T474 is a good tractor. Same engine as mine, but I have a turbo. I wanted the bigger frame size since I mostly have timber work and need the stability and lift of a bigger machine. Compared to most, the TYM machines have higher lift reach and capacity.

It really depends on your needs and the specific dealers you will work with. I had Kubota and JD much closer, but both of them are nuts on value.

 

[Skeletor]

I had a 1725mb that a pushed way too hard over and over and over again. I decided to get a bigger tractor as best case scenario I would just severely break it. I was seriously considering tym because they are cheap for the specs. Ultimately what made me go back to Massey was that the 1725 took the beating everytime and never gave me an issue but a lot of the reason was I wanted to stay in the agco network. I plan to keep the new tractor for many many years. I don’t see me needing anything bigger ever. Parts or service should never be an issue. I will add that my local dealer isn’t awesome so that had no sway in the decision. I upgraded to a 2860e with the Massey hoe. It’s an absolute animal so far I love it. Stupid treadle peddle took a bit to get used to but I don’t even think about it anymore.

Also I got 0-72 on the Massey. Yanmar typically has crappy financing offers so that lowers their sales numbers.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I would have gone Yanmar, but the tractor dealer support is non existent here. I drove the TYM and Branson and bought the Branson, even though it was a little more $$. Wasnt overly impressed with the faded and rusting Kioti units on the lots I visited. LS also has little support here.

 

[Williy]

To finance a tractor there is no law that you have to go with the dealer
I purchased a Yanmar and went with different financing and saved a lot
of money. Had a 6 year loan with small payments and took 2 & 1/2 years
to pay it off. With the low payments and no money problems could make
5 to 7 paymnets a month. So don't just go with what the dealer has for
a loan check around before you even start looking for a new tractor you
will be amazed!

willy

 

[paulsharvey]

So, when I bought my Kioti CK2610, I did consider MF, but, for my budget, that meant a MF1526 or a MF1825E. The 1526 is a full featured, large sub-compact, and the 1825E just seemed bare bones. If I could have gotten an 1825M for the same price as the Kioti CK2610; I probably would have went MF, even though the specs are a but better on the Kioti. The higher horse power Massey, 1840M,1860M, 2850M and 2860M offer a 12x12 power shuttle transmission, which is dang hard to find in machines of this size. Don't know if the E's do or not. Then you have the 26 series, which offers a crazy amount of tractor for the money, but your stepping back to 1980s kinda creature comforts. You can get a 2607 2wd loader, and it's probably the cheapest 70hp machine available in the US. Heck, $29,900 gets a 2607h gear drive, 2wd, no loader. For a guy needing HP for a bailing tractor, but has a smaller PST/HST machine for loader work, that's a price hard to beat.

I try not to be about brands; however, I will admit, I put a premium on Honda small engines, and that's kinda how I view MF/Kubota. Nothing wrong with a Briggs/Predator/whatever; but if it's just a couple dollars more, I would buy a Honda. Now, I would Not pay $1200 for a Honda, that Predator clones and sells for $200.

 

[vallefarm]

One caution (broken record on this site): consider the local dealer support no matter what you buy. It ought to be a primary decision criteria.

Why? If you purchase expecting it to break you obviously have made a poor choice. I purchased two jd 790's 26 years ago and have never needed service from them other than universal ground cables, batteries and tires. You do get what you pay for, you buy kmart you get Kmart. Kia and Hyundai are cheaper for a reason, they are disposable garbage. My 1983 Mercedes w126 is still my most reliable and comfortable ride, 30 mpg, not fast but we have a speed limit so a moot point. I buy a quality brand, I am buying their engineering. I could not care less about a dealer, they are hit or miss at best, they hire and fire staff service personnel like mc donalds. They are mostly parts cannon techs who don't want dirty hands. If the computer doesn't fix it buy another. Heaven forbid you have to look inside where the parts move and are covered in oil. Nothing overbuilt has ever broken!

 

[cdaigle430]

Why? If you purchase expecting it to break you obviously have made a poor choice. I purchased two jd 790's 26 years ago and have never needed service from them other than universal ground cables, batteries and tires. You do get what you pay for, you buy kmart you get Kmart. Kia and Hyundai are cheaper for a reason, they are disposable garbage. My 1983 Mercedes w126 is still my most reliable and comfortable ride, 30 mpg, not fast but we have a speed limit so a moot point. I buy a quality brand, I am buying their engineering. I could not care less about a dealer, they are hit or miss at best, they hire and fire staff service personnel like mc donalds. They are mostly parts cannon techs who don't want dirty hands. If the computer doesn't fix it buy another. Heaven forbid you have to look inside where the parts move and are covered in oil. Nothing overbuilt has ever broken!

When it comes to complex machines like the subcompact market-4 wheel drive, front and rear implements, mid and rear pto-the swiss army knife of tractors, you are bound to have problems no matter the brand. Yes you will need a good repair and parts service department to count on. I need my machine-its part of the house. Use it for mowing, snow removal, pallet moving, yard leveling, any residential project.