Buying Advice Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors?

[AndyMA]

Solar System, all electric house (heat pumps), 20,000 miles a year in Tesla Model 3 electric bill $11.41 month

 

[tradosaurus]

Solar System, all electric house (heat pumps), 20,000 miles a year in Tesla Model 3 electric bill $11.41 month

How much was your solar system?

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

But what did it cost to generate that bill?

Last I was approached, they wanted almost $30k...

In ten years... That $30k, is actually $60k.

So, to break even, Id need to save $6000 per year, over a 10 year period.

That is the math problem I have with it, as I don't spend that on electricity AND gas combined, in a year.

 

[tradosaurus]

But what did it cost to generate that bill?
Last I was approached, they wanted almost $30k...
In ten years... That $30k, is actually $60k.
So, to break even, Id need to save $6000 per year, over a 10 year period.
That is the math problem I have with it.

My estimate was similar. Unless the state and fed gov't gave a lot of subsidies for home owners solar power doesn't make any sense for me.
And solar panels start degrading in efficiency by day 1.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm an anomaly when it comes to my solar...

When I bought in 2017 the home came with an unfinished system with components purchased in 2009 by the owner builder.

My first project after settling in was to complete the build from materials that came with the house and get grid tie utility approval...

My 6 kW system cost me some time and under $400 out of pocket to completion.

I was asked if I wanted the seller to haul off the hardware and I said no... just leave it.

Even in 2017 components from 2009 were obsolete and of little value.

 

[Hay Dude]

Like the gov't does with gas and diesel?

Well, of course, but what I’m guessing you don’t understand is electricity is far easier & more efficient forthem to regulate than pumped fuels from a million gas stations.
Every Kw from an electrical supplier is taxed immediately and part of the customers bill.

I mean lets get real. A little kid knows electric cars are subsidized by the government and can be controlled by the government.

 

[Hay Dude]

When Russia invaded Ukraine, Elon Musk turned off all the Teslas in Russia.

For me, this is why the Government wants everyone driving an EV

Yep.
Like I said, it’s all about control

Liquid fuel is harder to control and it gives our citizens more freedom.


Freedom is what we are losing with each passing day.

 

[EddieWalker]

Yep.
Like I said, it’s all about control

Liquid fuel is harder to control and it gives our citizens more freedom.


Freedom is what we are losing with each passing day.

Every year, gas and diesel vehicles are being equipped with more advanced technology to spy on you when you are driving. I just read that new cars are able to read what's on your smart phone and copy your pictures. Pretty soon, lead boxes are going to be sold as aftermarket accessories for new cars!!!!

 

[Hay Dude]

My wife typically stays out of these controversies suggested we buy a 70’s or early 80’s car with no/minimal electronics “just in case”.

I was like…..dayum.

 

[Snobdds]

Tier 4 removes about 95% of the particulate matter. Tier 5 only gets another 2.5%.

Just like in anything, you will never get to 100%. The last 5% is always the most costly and hardest to obtain with greatly diminishing returns.

So they are going to nuke life as we know it for 2.5%. We are governed by idiots.

 

[AndyMA]

How much was your solar system?

I design systems for a living. Did it myself. $18,000 in materials. $3000 cash for helpers to install. $12,000 state rebate and 30% federal tax credit

 

[Camofurever1]

It's habitat restoration.... and from California to Washington.

It's happening with much fan fare...

As for solar my year 2009 solar panels are are on the job everyday and I only pay the meter fee.

I don't use electricity from 4-9 pm for things like laundry or welding or painting as a rule... the rate is much higher as this is peak time.

For the first time I decide to do an experiment and set my house thermostat to 67 and leave it.

My gas bill for 31 days was $310 dollars... gas heat, gas hot water, gas dryer and gas range...

A few mornings the roofs were white with frost.

$310 for one month???? Cough, sputter, choke.....wow. Either you have a really large mansion or you need to move. I have a hybrid heat/air unit. When the temp is above 38F, it runs on a multi-stage heat pump. When the temp drops below 38F, it switches over to gas heat. I use propane from an under ground 500 gallon tank. I pay around $2.19 a gallon to have it refilled. The most it can hold is 400 gallons. Every other year, it is topped off, and only takes around 300 gallons to do so. So, about 150 gallons per year usage. Our electric bills are never over $130.00/month. We keep the thermostat at 72 degrees year around. We don't conserve electric much, except we do turn off lights when not in a room.

 

[ultrarunner]

3200 square feet, well insulated with triple pane windows.

Unless you have PGE plus the city added utility taxes it is hard to understand unless maybe your utility is in Hawaii.

Again, I have not paid for a kW of electricity since my solar went online.

The powers that be have the mindset to eliminate natural gas... as in no more new services, etc.

 

[onetonford]

$310 for one month???? Cough, sputter, choke.....wow. Either you have a really large mansion or you need to move. I have a hybrid heat/air unit. When the temp is above 38F, it runs on a multi-stage heat pump. When the temp drops below 38F, it switches over to gas heat. I use propane from an under ground 500 gallon tank. I pay around $2.19 a gallon to have it refilled. The most it can hold is 400 gallons. Every other year, it is topped off, and only takes around 300 gallons to do so. So, about 150 gallons per year usage. Our electric bills are never over $130.00/month. We keep the thermostat at 72 degrees year around. We don't conserve electric much, except we do turn off lights when not in a room.

Just cause you don't live in Komifornia my last house had propane was easy to use $600 a month.

 

[onetonford]

3200 square feet, well insulated with triple pane windows.

Unless you have PGE plus the city added utility taxes it is hard to understand unless maybe your utility is in Hawaii.

Again, I have not paid for a kW of electricity since my solar went online.

The powers that be have the mindset to eliminate natural gas... as in no more new services, etc.

What do you pay in tru up cost???

 

[ultrarunner]

Every year I receive a check in the $250-300 range...

What do you pay in tru up cost???

 

[tradosaurus]

I design systems for a living. Did it myself. $18,000 in materials. $3000 cash for helpers to install. $12,000 state rebate and 30% federal tax credit

If I could get most of it subsidized it might be worth it. But according to a quick review of what a solar panel system would do for me I just don't see it affecting my electric bill much at all.

 

[onetonford]

Every year I receive a check in the $250-300 range...

I actually got around $350 which PG&E put toward my gas bill and the system has only been in service since September.

 

[DarkBlack]

$310 for one month???? Cough, sputter, choke.....wow. Either you have a really large mansion or you need to move. I have a hybrid heat/air unit. When the temp is above 38F, it runs on a multi-stage heat pump. When the temp drops below 38F, it switches over to gas heat. I use propane from an under ground 500 gallon tank. I pay around $2.19 a gallon to have it refilled. The most it can hold is 400 gallons. Every other year, it is topped off, and only takes around 300 gallons to do so. So, about 150 gallons per year usage. Our electric bills are never over $130.00/month. We keep the thermostat at 72 degrees year around. We don't conserve electric much, except we do turn off lights when not in a room.

You got to consider where people live. It makes a huge difference. You obviously live in a mild winter location.

 

[newbury]

Follow the money.

And that's what it's all about.
I think the govt. finally realized the economy was going in shutdown mode. Consumer internal combustion engines (ICE) have gotten too reliable.
All us old fart babyboomers have bought all the ICE equipment we NEED. And most of that made in the last 10 to 20 years is pretty efficient, and will last a LONG TIME with decent maintenance upkeep and fuel.
So instead of buying a new car every 3 to 5 years why not go 10 or 20?
Tractors seem to last forever.
Most other industries that produce equipment have similar success in equipment life span improvement. So the consumer has slowed down.
Only by regulating that old ICE equipment has to be replaced will the economy get rolling at high speed again.