Colorado wolf reintroduction

[stumblinhorse]

I agree with that and it will certainly happen, they will stop hunting so the population recover, the wolves will die and moves due to lack of resources, (cause and effect), then the elk population will rebound at that point. It will take a few generation for the population to adapted.

The wolves will hunt people long before they will they die off. This is not reintroduction on an island where they can wipe out the food source. CO is heavily populated. It will be a while but as wolf population explodes they will expand territory.

People have no idea what they are in for with wolves. If a hunter simply walked around and shot elk and left them, they would be arrested. Wolves often kill for fun. It is something I heard recently that 170 people die daily from fentanyl. That is like a commercial jet crashing everyday. Can you imagine the outrage that would cause if we accepted a plane crash everyday. Same thing here, imagine if a hunter just shot a dozen elk in the gut and walked away…

 

[Rockbadchild]

The wolves will hunt people long before they will they die off. This is not reintroduction on an island where they can wipe out the food source. CO is heavily populated. It will be a while but as wolf population explodes they will expand territory.

People have no idea what they are in for with wolves. If a hunter simply walked around and shot elk and left them, they would be arrested. Wolves often kill for fun. It is something I heard recently that 170 people die daily from fentanyl. That is like a commercial jet crashing everyday. Can you imagine the outrage that would cause if we accepted a plane crash everyday. Same thing here, imagine if a hunter just shot a dozen elk in the gut and walked away…

I was just in the process of going that way ... One thing I hate and afraid of is in the event the wolves doesn't see the humans as a apex predator, and that will happen without hunting or trapping... Some might think it's a fairy tail but it is fairly common in Europe perhaps for these reason. Even in Canada and Alaska there is accounts of wolves attack on humans often they say the wolfs has rabies but not always. People always say wolf are dead scared of humans and that's true because of trapping and hunting but despite that they are deceiving trappers see it all the time how much they are, when caught in a trap they will act armless just to attacks, they will give themself some slack and bounce towards you once they think you are within reach, I was very clearly worn during my trapping course. Turn your back on a wolf and you will see how scared of you they are. I know multiple people who work in the bush who had to back themselves up on a tree while a wolf pack circle around them, the longest 15 minute of my life one guy told me.

 

[stumblinhorse]

I was just in the process of going that way ... One thing I hate and afraid of is in the event the wolves doesn't see the humans as a apex predator, and that will happen without hunting or trapping... Some might think it's a fairy tail but it is fairly common in Europe perhaps for these reason. Even in Canada and Alaska there is accounts of wolves attack on humans often they say the wolfs has rabies but not always. People always say wolf are dead scared of humans and that's true because of trapping and hunting but despite that they are deceiving trappers see it all the time how much they are, when caught in a trap they will act armless just to attacks, they will give themself some slack and bounce towards you once they think you are within reach, I was very clearly worn during my trapping course. Turn your back on a wolf and you will see how scared of you they are. I know multiple people who work in the bush who had to back themselves up on a tree while a wolf pack circle around them, the longest 15 minute of my life one guy told me.

This won’t happen for a while since there is so much other food for them. But wolves are not conservationists. They won’t think “I better not kill 20 deer today, since I won’t have any food after that”.

Also if hunting and trapping was effective in controlling wolf numbers, then WY, MT and ID packs would be in check. But they aren’t. There was a reason those states would not sell wolves to CO. And the stupidity of CO is evident by the purchase of wolves from a pack scheduled for euthanizing in OR.

 

[Rockbadchild]

This won’t happen for a while since there is so much other food for them. But wolves are not conservationists. They won’t think “I better not kill 20 deer today, since I won’t have any food after that”.

Also if hunting and trapping was effective in controlling wolf numbers, then WY, MT and ID packs would be in check. But they aren’t. There was a reason those states would not sell wolves to CO. And the stupidity of CO is evident by the purchase of wolves from a pack scheduled for euthanizing in OR.

Trapping and hunting a wolf is very difficult and is as effective as the effort put in to do so. They are very smart and have such a big territory you only have a shot per year at it, and once you get one the rest of the pack is almost impossible to get.

 

[jyoutz]

The release of wolves in Colorado is simply the next step of the governor and his animal activist husband’s war on agriculture and hunting in the state.

But it doesn’t matter now. There is now nothing that can be done. Wolves are here and there is nothing capable of stopping the explosion of the population. The is so much food for them. None of the deer, elk, antelope or cattle are used to the pressure, hunting and slaughter that the wolves are going to bring.

Luckily I’m old enough I won’t have to watch for long.

Wolf programs are managed by US Fish and Wildlife Service, not state government.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Wolf programs are managed by US Fish and Wildlife Service, not state government.

Sorry not in this case. This was state all the way. They had to release them on state land etc. The reintroduction of wolves to a national park is federal. This was state, on the state ballot, state tax money.

 

[Thomas]

It's a no win for either said when man sticks it's noise where it doesn't belong...let mother nature take it's coarse.

 

[YanmarFever]

Is this what our kids will find in the forest when they are wandering a little to far from home?

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alpha grey wolf snarling close-up​

 

[Jstpssng]

If some have their way. Personally, I like being the alpha species.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Dinosaurs are gone and I don't miss them, I wouldn't miss a wolf either.

 

[jyoutz]

Sorry not in this case. This was state all the way. They had to release them on state land etc. The reintroduction of wolves to a national park is federal. This was state, on the state ballot, state tax money.

They were released on National Forest lands in Arizona and New Mexico 20 plus years ago by USFWS. There has been a few calf killer wolves and these habitual livestock killers were shot. For the most part, they are subsisting on elk and deer. And there are still too many elk. Early on, there was a lot of public outcry about threats to humans, but so far that hasn’t been the case and there isn’t much news about them anymore. I didn’t think it was a good idea in the 1990s when they were re-introduced to the area, but I’m now indifferent because the wolves seem to be elusive and avoid confrontation and areas of heavy human activity. The agreement when they were released was that habitual calf killers would be shot, and this has been the case. There was one instance about a decade ago of a wolf kill of two dogs in Arizona. I work in the woods often and in all these years, I have sighted 2 wolves on one occasion. They took off running when I stopped the truck and got out to look at them. Regardless of what Colorado does, they will have wolves in the future because they are in northern New Mexico now. I’m not a wolf fan boy, just don’t think about them much because their presence in our area has been rather uneventful.

 

[stumblinhorse]

They were released on National Forest lands in Arizona and New Mexico 20 plus years ago by USFWS. There has been a few calf killer wolves and these habitual livestock killers were shot. For the most part, they are subsisting on elk and deer. And there are still too many elk. Early on, there was a lot of public outcry about threats to humans, but so far that hasn’t been the case and there isn’t much news about them anymore. I didn’t think it was a good idea in the 1990s when they were re-introduced to the area, but I’m now indifferent because the wolves seem to be elusive and avoid confrontation and areas of heavy human activity. The agreement when they were released was that habitual calf killers would be shot, and this has been the case. There was one instance about a decade ago of a wolf kill of two dogs in Arizona. I work in the woods often and in all these years, I have sighted 2 wolves on one occasion. They took off running when I stopped the truck and got out to look at them. Regardless of what Colorado does, they will have wolves in the future because they are in northern New Mexico now. I’m not a wolf fan boy, just don’t think about them much because their presence in our area has been rather uneventful.

We already had them before the release. CPW couldn’t manage those, now we’ll have dozens more. In my area there was already many depredated livestock by wolves. But they released 10 more 10 miles from me. Colorado is heavily populated and the released wolves have a Facebook page with all the pictures and sightings. Hard to be elusive in this state.

Ranchers here are already stretched to their limit. I don’t see ranching lasting long in CO.

 

[Hay Dude]

We already had them before the release. CPW couldn’t manage those, now we’ll have dozens more. In my area there was already many depredated livestock by wolves. But they released 10 more 10 miles from me. Colorado is heavily populated and the released wolves have a Facebook page with all the pictures and sightings. Hard to be elusive in this state.

Ranchers here are already stretched to their limit. I don’t see ranching lasting long in CO.

Ranching is being legislated out of existence from several different angles.
Wolves are another small bite off the Ranchers profit margin.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Ranching is being legislated out of existence from several different angles.
Wolves are another small bite off the Ranchers profit margin.

It is crazy how easy it is for government to legislate. The Colorado Pause act tried to make it an illegal *** act to geld horses or castrate or AI cattle. So as you can guess, no more veterinarians in Colorado, since they would be convicted and have to be registered *** offenders.

The governor declared an official day as “meat out” where people are not supposed to eat meat.

Agriculture is the number 1 source of revenue for the state of Colorado.

But if that life is important to you, don’t move here. It will be gone soon.

 

[jyoutz]

We already had them before the release. CPW couldn’t manage those, now we’ll have dozens more. In my area there was already many depredated livestock by wolves. But they released 10 more 10 miles from me. Colorado is heavily populated and the released wolves have a Facebook page with all the pictures and sightings. Hard to be elusive in this state.

Ranchers here are already stretched to their limit. I don’t see ranching lasting long in CO.

In AZ and NM ranchers lose more calves to lions and bears than wolves, but they are definitely another factor. Still ranchers here are more concerned with elk depredation on their hay meadows than other wildlife issues. Our Game and Fish Departments are always issuing depredation elk hunting permits.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

It is crazy how easy it is for government to legislate. The Colorado Pause act tried to make it an illegal *** act to geld horses or castrate or AI cattle. So as you can guess, no more veterinarians in Colorado, since they would be convicted and have to be registered *** offenders.

The governor declared an official day as “meat out” where people are not supposed to eat meat.

Agriculture is the number 1 source of revenue for the state of Colorado.

But if that life is important to you, don’t move here. It will be gone soon.

Let me get this straight, in Colorado you have to leave a colt a stud? and not allowed to artificial inseminate cows?

 

[jyoutz]

Let me get this straight, in Colorado you have to leave a colt a stud? and not allowed to artificial inseminate cows?

No. Some fools just talked about that. No laws or requirements.

 

[Rockbadchild]

It is crazy how easy it is for government to legislate. The Colorado Pause act tried to make it an illegal *** act to geld horses or castrate or AI cattle. So as you can guess, no more veterinarians in Colorado, since they would be convicted and have to be registered *** offenders.

The governor declared an official day as “meat out” where people are not supposed to eat meat.

Agriculture is the number 1 source of revenue for the state of Colorado.

But if that life is important to you, don’t move here. It will be gone soon.

what for real ? sso you are telling me, doctor can do it to teenagers but a vet cant do it to animals ???

 

[stumblinhorse]

Let me get this straight, in Colorado you have to leave a colt a stud? and not allowed to artificial inseminate cows?

Almost made the ballot in 2022, it was unbelievable when the same Supreme Court that is trying to disrupt a popular vote in the country, barred it from the ballot in the last minute.

 

[stumblinhorse]

what for real ? sso you are telling me, doctor can do it to teenagers but a vet cant do it to animals ???

From the statue:
If passed by Colorado voters in 2022, the initiative would have:

• Required that criminal animal cruelty charges be filed against veterinarians for performing common veterinary medical surgeries
• Made spaying and neutering animals a criminal offense, thereby increasing animal suffering, pet overpopulation, and spreading of disease
• Criminalized safe and common artificial insemination of dogs, horses, and livestock as “****** act with an animal” or **********.