Colorado wolf reintroduction

[Rockbadchild]

Without turning this political who is from Colorado and how do you feel about this ?

I already know how the majority on this site will feel since most of us live in rural communities, but perhaps this tread will educate folks on both side. I know how I feel about it being from Northern Ontario and dealing with the negative impact wolfs have on live stock owners, pet owners, hunters, wildlife and the outdoor enthusiasts. This also hit close to home since this year Canada is trying to pass a bill to protect the wolf from coast to coast, I don't necessarily have a problem with wolves in general but to unconditionally protect them is a very bad idea on multiple fronts. Folks often compare this to Yellowstone and most of the information they have comes from the documentary which is not all true but it is different as there is no hunting within the park compare to Colorado or even Canada.

All 10 gray wolves from Oregon now reside on Colorado's Western Slope, 2023 reintroduction phase complete

Canada Gazette, Part 1, Volume 157, Number 45: Order Amending Schedule 1 to the Species at Risk Act

November 11, 2023, Part 1, Volume 157, Number 45, Canada Gazette

www.gazette.gc.ca

 

[oosik]

I've been told that wolves have come back into our area. I've not seen any or any signs. They will simply have to fit in with all the other carnivores. And - brother - we have our share.

I know my rancher neighbor on my southern boundary has had negative impacts with the coyotes. Wolves will not make him any happier.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I've been told that wolves have come back into our area. I've not seen any or any signs. They will simply have to fit in with all the other carnivores. And - brother - we have our share.

I know my rancher neighbor on my southern boundary has had negative impacts with the coyotes. Wolves will not make him any happier.

You are pretty close to the Canadian border so that would make sense.

That's is one benefit about having wolves around (i don't know if there is more then one) the wolf hunt/kill coyotes but the issue is they don't have the same habitat as coyotes will live close to humans infiltrate city's and have a way smaller territory.

 

[Hay Dude]

I've been told that wolves have come back into our area. I've not seen any or any signs. They will simply have to fit in with all the other carnivores. And - brother - we have our share.

I know my rancher neighbor on my southern boundary has had negative impacts with the coyotes. Wolves will not make him any happier.

No Problem if the ranchers get wiped out. We can just eat “lab meat” and be happy to have wolves back!

 

[Jstpssng]

I have a big issue with wolves on the ESA... also any other animal which isn't actually endangered. There is a faction of people who want to bring them to Maine, and say too bad for those of us who will be affected.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I have a big issue with wolves on the ESA... also any other animal which isn't actually endangered. There is a faction of people who want to bring them to Maine, and say too bad for those of us who will be affected.

That's one of the biggest problem I have with it as well, the second part I have a problem with is people who vote in favor of it that will never be affected by it.

 

[Eagle1]

I have a big issue with wolves on the ESA... also any other animal which isn't actually endangered. There is a faction of people who want to bring them to Maine, and say too bad for those of us who will be affected.

They will show up sooner or later, since hunting pressure is down. We don't have wolves in MO just 100 pound coyotes per MDC.
104 pound coyote shot in Missouri !!
Then a few months later
104-Pound Missouri 'Coyote' Determined To Be A Wolf

Now 10 years ago we had no bears in the state (yeah right)... yet now we have a hunting season for black bear. DNA testing confirmed we have a native population that been here the whole time. Surprise......
We also do not have Mountain Lions but those long tail bobcats show up all the time. I've had my sightings and tracks
There are several other species residing here that per MDC do not exist here.... Whatever....

 

[stumblinhorse]

They released them less than 10 miles from me. Wolves had already killed 20 cattle, 4 sheep and 4 working dogs within a 30 mile radius of me BEFORE they were released.

It has killed the relationship between ranchers and wildlife officers. I for one would not allow a wildlife officer on my property for any reason now and would treat them as a trespasser and press charges to the fullest extend of the law if they come on my property.

They barely did their job before enforcing property line with hunters and trespassing, now they serve no purpose at all in Colorado except the zoo keepers for the governor…

Good read…

CPW says it will not kill wolves after attacks on North Park rancher’s cattle

Colorado Parks and Wildlife says rancher Don Gittleson should continue using wolf mitigation tools he claims haven’t worked

coloradosun.com

 

[Rockbadchild]

What stink about these new wolves is they are wearing tracking collars... which make it very hard to take action in your own hands...

 

[jyoutz]

We have had wolves in Arizona and New Mexico for a couple of decades now. It’s been a mixed bag. Livestock kill hasn’t been as common as ranchers have feared, but it does happen. There have been individuals shot and killed, both legally and illegally because of calf kills. For the most part we don’t hear much about them. Since they are in New Mexico, I have no doubt that they will travel to Colorado soon.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I read a study from Poland and they analyze wolves fecal matter and saw some population that had close to 10% over all diets coming from domesticated animals.

 

[etpm]

I read a study from Poland and they analyze wolves fecal matter and saw some population that had close to 10% over all diets coming from domesticated animals.

So, 1 out of 10 poops had a collar in it?
Eric

 

[ericm979]

Poland's a pretty different environment than the high country of Colorado or Wyoming.

I was working on grizzly bear studies when they were working on introducing wolves to Yellowstone. Since then there's been a lot of good effects on the environment. For example the wolves keep the elk and deer out of the valley bottoms so there's more vegetation along the rivers, which is good for fish. Wolves are a keystone species that have a huge positive effect on the rest of the ecosystem. This is a pretty good summary: Keystone Species: How the wolves of Yellowstone changed the rivers -

The area I did field work in was wilderness area just outside the park. It's known as some of the best fishing in the lower 48. People spend big bucks to get packed in for fishing trips.

 

[Jstpssng]

Poland's a pretty different environment than the high country of Colorado or Wyoming.

I was working on grizzly bear studies when they were working on introducing wolves to Yellowstone. Since then there's been a lot of good effects on the environment. For example the wolves keep the elk and deer out of the valley bottoms so there's more vegetation along the rivers, which is good for fish. Wolves are a keystone species that have a huge positive effect on the rest of the ecosystem. This is a pretty good summary: Keystone Species: How the wolves of Yellowstone changed the rivers -

The area I did field work in was wilderness area just outside the park. It's known as some of the best fishing in the lower 48. People spend big bucks to get packed in for fishing trips.

We have a working forest... which some want to take so that it can be turned back into a wilderness.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Poland's a pretty different environment than the high country of Colorado or Wyoming.

I was working on grizzly bear studies when they were working on introducing wolves to Yellowstone. Since then there's been a lot of good effects on the environment. For example the wolves keep the elk and deer out of the valley bottoms so there's more vegetation along the rivers, which is good for fish. Wolves are a keystone species that have a huge positive effect on the rest of the ecosystem. This is a pretty good summary: Keystone Species: How the wolves of Yellowstone changed the rivers -

The area I did field work in was wilderness area just outside the park. It's known as some of the best fishing in the lower 48. People spend big bucks to get packed in for fishing trips.

I would like to see the same study made in Canada around rural communities, once a year there is a bunch of people that get their dog kill by wolfs.

I agree with Yellowstone only because it is a park, there is no hunting, very little (if any) farming. you cant say it work there therefore it will work everywhere when the situation is not the same...

from the articles
''Despite efforts to control the ruminant populations''

what effort and how much effort ?? not all options has been tried since they never try hunting, I argue hunting would have had the same effect. but ok no hunting, introduce the wolf that's fine it works there only because you want a area without human intervention.

 

[ericm979]

Being the USA's oldest national park, Yellowstone is also the place where there's been professional wildlife management for the longest. Pretty much everything has been tried there at one time or another.

At times there has been a lot of hunting, at other times none. Hunting has always been allowed in most of the land surrounding Yellowstone, and the elk herds in particular do not adhere to the park boundaries, preferring to winter in lower valleys to the north and south of the park.

This is a decent summary of the history of wildlife management in the park: The Slaughter of Elk at Yellowstone National Park - JSTOR Daily

 

[Jstpssng]

I am biased against wolves because I take my dog to work with me. ESA or not, mess with him and they're going to graduate from the endangered list.

 

[stumblinhorse]

The release of wolves in Colorado is simply the next step of the governor and his animal activist husband’s war on agriculture and hunting in the state.

But it doesn’t matter now. There is now nothing that can be done. Wolves are here and there is nothing capable of stopping the explosion of the population. The is so much food for them. None of the deer, elk, antelope or cattle are used to the pressure, hunting and slaughter that the wolves are going to bring.

Luckily I’m old enough I won’t have to watch for long.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Being the USA's oldest national park, Yellowstone is also the place where there's been professional wildlife management for the longest. Pretty much everything has been tried there at one time or another.

At times there has been a lot of hunting, at other times none. Hunting has always been allowed in most of the land surrounding Yellowstone, and the elk herds in particular do not adhere to the park boundaries, preferring to winter in lower valleys to the north and south of the park.

This is a decent summary of the history of wildlife management in the park: The Slaughter of Elk at Yellowstone National Park - JSTOR Daily

nice read, sound like they could've open hunting within the park something that hasn't been done since the 1880's even if it would've been bow hunting I think it could've fix their problem instead of culling / waist 5000 beast.. yes they leave the boundary but like the article said they adapted and were reluctant to leave the park... regardless over all I agree with the wolves reintroduction especially if they won't accept hunting with it the park, it is still differently then Colorado, not the same.

 

[Rockbadchild]

The release of wolves in Colorado is simply the next step of the governor and his animal activist husband’s war on agriculture and hunting in the state.

But it doesn’t matter now. There is now nothing that can be done. Wolves are here and there is nothing capable of stopping the explosion of the population. The is so much food for them. None of the deer, elk, antelope or cattle are used to the pressure, hunting and slaughter that the wolves are going to bring.

Luckily I’m old enough I won’t have to watch for long.

I agree with that and it will certainly happen, they will stop hunting so the population recover, the wolves will die and moves due to lack of resources, (cause and effect), then the elk population will rebound at that point but never to their previous numbers. It will take a few generation for the population to adapted.