New $10,000 Toyota pickup

[LittleBill21]

Because I don't need or want that much automation in my drive.

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

 

[DK35vince]

I'd be interested in one in 4x4 as a daily winter driver, as long as the heater and defroster work.

They can keep all the extra hee-haw garbage on the new ones. My 11 year old Ford xlt package truck has all the bells and whistles on it I would ever want.

My 32 year old Ford f-250 has all the bells and whistles I would ever need or want

 

[LittleBill21]

maybe we should just buy a model A so we can adjust the timing on the fly as well.... everything after those is just ridiculous

 

[Jstpssng]

Another article about the little Toyota:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...truck-first-drive-review-japan-mobility-show/

Interesting article. As I suspected there are no air bags or ABS... making them impossible to sell here. There was only one comment at the bottom when I read it but the guy was spot on...

...The Maverick hybrid and the new Prius are among the few practical and reasonably priced vehicles today. Good luck finding one for sale. Sometimes I wonder if anyone is paying attention to the customer.

 

[tacticalturnip]

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

Standard cruise? Sure, but no adaptive.

I like distance sensors that beep when I'm an idiot, but I don't want the brake to apply automatically.

You know what the key is to equipment like that? It's no good if you don't trust it, and I don't trust it.

 

[WinterDeere]

maybe we should just buy a model A so we can adjust the timing on the fly as well.... everything after those is just ridiculous

At the risk of fulfilling every "never argue with an idiot" parable I've ever read, there's a difference between features that take away tasks which are merely tedious, and those legitimately affecting the safe or peaceful operation of the vehicle. Auto-dim lights, if they ever worked even half as reliably as modern timing control, would not have such a bad reputation here. Likewise with collision avoidance systems, for which several users here have already outlined cases in which it has caused them issues.

When I'm coming around a bend in the road in wet, snowy, or icy conditions, the last thing I want is for the vehicle to automatically go full-antilock on me, just because it errantly thinks I'm about to have a head on collision with someone who is not even remotely in my path of travel. Yet, this has happened to me more than once, thankfully always on dry road surfaces.

 

[jjeff]

Here is a story from 2012 about the failure of Mahindra bringing a truck to the US.

Mahindra Pickup Failure Shows Difficulty of Launching New Brands in the U.S.

That story makes me want to "roll coal" in front of the nhtsa or epa. Back to half heartedly looking for a very cheap 25 yr old diesel hilux unicorn lol.

 

[LittleBill21]

there's a difference between features that take away tasks which are merely tedious, and those legitimately affecting the safe or peaceful operation of the vehicle. Auto-dim lights, if they ever worked even half as reliably as modern timing control, would not have such a bad reputation here. Likewise with collision avoidance systems, for which several users here have already outlined cases in which it has caused them issues.

its disappointing to hear how bad some of these features work for people, I live in the country on dark and winding roads, 500+ deer a night. I have had auto highbeams for prolly 6 years at this point, and never once seen them fail, maybe not turn on as quick as wanted, but to say fail, no, not even close.

The collision is also interesting, I have only had that feature for 2 years in 2 cars, and again, 0 issues with that system as well. I wonder why there is such a huge difference, Maybe people don't keep their windshields clean enough, some systems use camera's above the mirror.

 

[jjeff]

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

From what I've read you can spec them out with options. But then your getting in the hilux price range.

 

[tacticalturnip]

The absolute worst has got to be Auto Start/Stop technology...