Things to do in Northern California?

[Sigarms]

Thanks for the response guys. I hate to say this, but for a long time, I really never took the time to look at the lattitude of most major cities. For some dumb reason, in my mind, San Fran was about north as say New York, but in reality it's more closer to Richmond Virginia. Add the mountains located in the San Fran area, added the sea level cities going west in California (such as my comment about the warmth in Fresno), I can now see and comprehend why there seems to be so many micro climeates in the state of California.

One thing I did notice on the shorline of Half Moon Bay (surprisingly) is I had to try out the water. For August, I got sticker shock with it being so cold. I see why surfers are wearing wetsuits in August in that area.

 

[Sigarms]

2023 study says most are people who lived in California before losing housing at least one month but many are not native California.

171,000 daily homeless in California while CA had 12% of population it hosts 30% of nations homeless and 50% of nations unsheltered.

2/3 report mental health problems and 1/3 use drugs regularly.

Source UCSF Benioff Homelessness Housing Initiative.

Typical SF weather rarely gets out of the 55-65 degree range summer or winter.

Nighttime lows of 40 or less typically happen only 4 times annually… Freezing temps not at all normal for SF

With our other son we lived that statistic for 2 years before he passed away due to an accidental fentanyl overdose at age 17.

Ironically enough, it was due to a homeless person who let our son use his phone (our sons phone had lost power) that he called us his last night expecting to come home.

I got to know that homeless guy (young guy, mid 30's who actually came from Indiana) and tried to help him (he also helped the detectives who were tyring to figure out the sequence of events and who he was with). He was actually a nice guy who went out of his way to help. Honestly don't know what happened to him as I called him to check up on him eariler this year, and never heard back from him. He just seemed like a normal guy whose life was screwed up.

I'm not giving anyone here a sob story, only pointing out that the mental health system is somewhat broken from our own personal experiences because even if a person wants help, it can be hard and difficult to come by, and a lot of Americans live with that issue with family members every day, even members here.

 

[plowhog]

Have to ask, what is this place below on 4 north of Alpine lake?

That is a pair of lakes called Mosquito Lakes. Actually I think they are more pond size than a lake, but that is the name. I have fished and caught trout there.

The cabin is an old forest service property that is now on a private 99-year lease. There are a number of such cabins all around California mountain regions.

 

[plowhog]

The third time over Ebbetts pass was a breeze driving and actually like a regular drive. Had my son take this one on one of the curves.

I know that exact curve. Very steep terrain and no guard rails.

I love driving Ebbetts Pass. I'm glad you did it multiple times. I drove a 34 ft diesel motorhome over the pass one time. Was quite an experience. Especially when I met up with an opposite direction 1 ton dually truck pulling a 35 ft livestock trailer .... got interesting.

 

[Sigarms]

That is a pair of lakes called Mosquito Lakes. Actually I think they are more pond size than a lake, but that is the name. I have fished and caught trout there.

The cabin is an old forest service property that is now on a private 99-year lease. There are a number of such cabins all around California mountain regions.

No, you're right, it is more of a pond.

Like my very first trip to Utah a very long time ago, there were a lot of "side roads" that we didn't take due to time constraints.

Going past Mosquito lakes towards Alpine lake on the 4, there was a road to the left that I think went to another lake?

I know going from Angels Camp to Nevada should only take about 3 hours on 88, but if you really want to see stuff and not just drive by looking at it from your car window, you really need to plan more time.

On Sonoroa pass I was behind a guy with a ATV in his truck. He took a side gravel road up a hill. Assume they allow off road vehicles on trails up there? When we were on Sonora pass, also noticed all the Marines training.

 

[plowhog]

Going past Mosquito lakes towards Alpine lake on the 4, there was a road to the left that I think went to another lake?

That road goes to Highland Lakes. The road sort-of follows along the Mokelumne river which is something between a creek and a river depending on elevation and time of the year.

Highland lakes is a pair of lakes, sort of in a bowl with mountains on most sides. Developed sites for camping exist at one lake-- absolutely beautiful. At night you can see an awesome display of stars as there is no light pollution from anywhere. Good trout fishing for brook trout.

I would visit more often but it is a long dirt road with washboard. Rearranges the cabinet contents if you are pulling a trailer.

 

[plowhog]

On Sonoroa pass I was behind a guy with a ATV in his truck. He took a side gravel road up a hill. Assume they allow off road vehicles on trails up there? When we were on Sonora pass, also noticed all the Marines training.

ATV use is very common. Many developed roads and trails are open to ATV's.

The Marines you saw were at "MWTC". That is their Mountain Warfare Training Center. It was a beehive of activity during the war in Afghanistan, since it offered a training platform similar to the mountainous terrain there.

 

[Sigarms]

I know that exact curve. Very steep terrain and no guard rails.

I love driving Ebbetts Pass. I'm glad you did it multiple times. I drove a 34 ft diesel motorhome over the pass one time. Was quite an experience. Especially when I met up with an opposite direction 1 ton dually truck pulling a 35 ft livestock trailer .... got interesting.

Like I said, the third time was a lot easier than the FIRST time, almost like a normal drive and I honestly don't think my heart rate ever spiked

I did NOT want to be the idiot out of state driver who made the news

After our last day hiking the south trail at Caleveras big tree park, I really wanted to go for a swim at Alpine lake, as the day before I saw a guy swiming there. I told my wife the water would probably be like swimming at her old pond in Vermont in August. Time was getting late though and we still had to drive back to Sacramento.

Now that we have a better idea of the area, our next trip will have a more precise direction. Overall though, perfect vacation seeing both the coast and the some of the mountains.

 

[Sigarms]

ATV use is very common. Many developed roads and trails are open to ATV's.

The Marines you saw were at "MWTC". That is their Mountain Warfare Training Center. It was a beehive of activity during the war in Afghanistan, since it offered a training platform similar to the mountainous terrain there.

I took this pic when I was up there Like I said, will need to go back to check out more of the area.

Off roads and off roading up there must be fabulous. Just hope people take responsibility and don't trash up areas. I just know even in the 90's when I did a lot of kayaking in Idaho, out in the middle of nowhere off a dirt road or trail, people partying leaving beer bottles and trash all over the place (I was surprised because I expected that crap on the east coast, but not in the "real" mountains out west). Blew my mind. Pack it in, pack it out...

 

[plowhog]

Just hope people take responsibility and don't trash up areas.

Spent a great deal of time in the CA backcountry. Almost never see trash or litter.

Had a once in a lifetime experience at Alpine Lake. Was on the wooden dock, just before dusk, fishing with a friend. An osprey hit the water and caught a trout in its talons. A nearby bald eagle came to protect its territory and the fight was on. Similar to a military fighter dogfight except with large birds. The eagle was chasing the osprey, all sorts of twists, turns, and evasive maneuvers. Both flew right over our heads. The whump-whump-whump sound of wings flapping was incredible.

The osprey dropped the fish, fleeing just barely above the water with the eagle chasing. Once the osprey made shoreline the eagle pulled up and flew back to perch on its nest in a tree across the lake.

 

[ultrarunner]

With our other son we lived that statistic for 2 years before he passed away due to an accidental fentanyl overdose at age 17.

Ironically enough, it was due to a homeless person who let our son use his phone (our sons phone had lost power) that he called us his last night expecting to come home.

I got to know that homeless guy (young guy, mid 30's who actually came from Indiana) and tried to help him (he also helped the detectives who were tyring to figure out the sequence of events and who he was with). He was actually a nice guy who went out of his way to help. Honestly don't know what happened to him as I called him to check up on him eariler this year, and never heard back from him. He just seemed like a normal guy whose life was screwed up.

I'm not giving anyone here a sob story, only pointing out that the mental health system is somewhat broken from our own personal experiences because even if a person wants help, it can be hard and difficult to come by, and a lot of Americans live with that issue with family members every day, even members here.

Single male adults unless VA connected have few options as county is set up for woman and children…

72 hour limit for mental health services create a revolving door…

Plus all shelters have rules.

My grandmother was a very active supporter of the Salvation Army but many shun as too many rules along with bible aspect.

 

[Sigarms]

Spent a great deal of time in the CA backcountry. Almost never see trash or litter.

I asked because after you come down the hill from the Ebbetts pass sign, a little while on the road, there is a pull out on the left that has an overlook. We pulled over, and someone apparently spray painted a couple of rocks set in the ground.

It took me the third trip going back to Angles Camp over the pass to finally see the resting place of what was left of the Chalmer family (if that is indeed the proper marker).

Biggest question is exactly how much snow do they get up on that pass (when the close the road down) and does anyone snowshoe in the area?

And I can see why it's one of your favorite drives!

I've also got to ask, do you know the story on how the flag got on top of the biggest "hill" in the background at this lake? It's almost impossible to see in the pic, but on the right hand side (off center a little) a pole with a flag sits on top. Didn't even think to bring my binocs for this trip.

 

[ultrarunner]

One subject that comes up again and again is splitting CA into 2 or 3 smaller states so the common interests are more aligned…

Just prior to WWII is the closest it came to reality… Northern CA and Southern Oregon proposed to create the State of Jefferson claiming to avoid edits from both state governments…

I believe Pearl Harbor happened…

Later talk was a 3-way split…

 

[Sigarms]

Just prior to WWII is the closest it came to reality… Northern CA and Southern Oregon proposed to create the State of Jefferson claiming to avoid edits from both state governments…

Funny you should write that.

We hit the same mexican food joint on the way to Angles Camp on the way back to Fresno because we liked it so much the first time (El Torio in Valley Springs I belive). Somewhere along that road after we left the restuarant I believe, there was this big green sign about bringing in "The State of Jefferson" (or somthing along those lines as I could only catch so much driving), and I was wondering about that sign and it's meaning.

If I were to move to California, Caleveras county ironically would be first on my list for an area (already looked, too expensive for us LOL).

The irony is I saw a couple on the flight out of Sacramento to Dallas, and they were on the same flight to Charlotte. I had to ask the guy (we were next to each other getting on the plane) if he was visiting California like us, and he seemed very pleased to tell me that they were actually moving to NC and he was a "Califonian native".

I can assure you, having lived in upstate NY, there are more than a couple of people who dream of breaking away from Albany

 

[Hughman]

The boys at the MWTC were busy this weekend. We had Blackhawks and Chinooks flying over our campsite at night. This picture (sorry about the bad focus) was taken from the top of Mt Patterson looking west towards Sonora pass. You can see the MWTC at the bottom.

 

[Sigarms]

The boys at the MWTC were busy this weekend. We had Blackhawks and Chinooks flying over our campsite at night. This picture (sorry about the bad focus) was taken from the top of Mt Patterson looking west towards Sonora pass. You can see the MWTC at the bottom.

When we drove by, it seemed more active than usual as well IMO, more than one bird on the strip.

A personal question if you don't mind, how long does it take you to get to Mt Patterson?

 

[Sigarms]

For the guys who live around SF, let me know how this plays out. Apparently when I was in the area, my phone tracked me and gave me local news when I looked up "news today" on my phone. When we were out there, more than one person mentioned smash and grabs in the SF area (as well on this forum).

When we stopped at the golden gate bridge, there were signs about smash and grabs, so one person stayed in our rental car at all times. When my son and I got back, wife informed me that some guy left his cell phone on his window cup holder and left his vehicle with the phone in plain sight.

Luckily, I spent $16 for a 2' 1/2" pipe nipple with duct tape for nothing. Didn't use the duct tape on the pipe nipple as I figured police could construe the added duct tape for a handle for use as weapon.

When I hear "bait" in LEO terms, I only hear of trying to catch people to prosecute, in hopes of stopping the cause, which does not address the cause of the issue to begin with, which means it will still keep occuring. No different than drugs IMO.

Deeper discussion, does the legaliztion of weed in California increase or decrease the odds of weed being a "gateway drug"?

 

[Hughman]

A personal question if you don't mind, how long does it take you to get to Mt Patterson?

The trailhead is about 6 miles past the MWTC, just south of the 108 off 395. It's about another 90 minutes of jeep trail to get to the top. Mt Patterson is the big bald mountain you are looking at east of the marine base.

 

[Sigarms]

The trailhead is about 6 miles past the MWTC, just south of the 108 off 395. It's about another 90 minutes of jeep trail to get to the top. Mt Patterson is the big bald mountain you are looking at east of the marine base.

I was curious as to how long of a drive from your home to Mt Patterson?

One reason why West Virginia is my favorite state on the east coast is when I lived there, at most, it would take no more than 2 hours to hit some of the best whitewater on the east coast when in the past, it would be a minimum 3-5 hour drive depending on what state I lived in (reality is, some creeks I would drive 3-5 hours to if it were running was only 30 minutes away and I could hit them on a moments notice).

My shoulder can't take paddling anymore until I replace it, but I can still camp LOL

 

[Hughman]

Ah, for us, from La Grange to where we camp near the MWTC is about 100 miles. It can take us 3-4 hours since we stop in Sonora for food and fuel. Then we flat tow the jeep behind the RV as far as Kennedy Meadows before we unhitch and drive both vehicles separately over the steep windy part of the pass. It can be quite a production.