I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[Rockbadchild]

You often hear that the Chinese are bringing a coal-fired power plant on-line every week, on average. (That's a startling real statistic if you think about it.) The most shocking thing that I never hear mentioned is that they're burning US coal in those plants. The Chinese buy coal mined in the US, ship it all the way to the other side of the planet (using large amounts of fossil fuel), and burn it to generate electricity.

These barges of US coal float past dozens of our power plants on the way there. We won't use it because we're too environmentally-conscious. Actually, we're too misguided.

How many ridiculous wind turbines and solar panels will we need to install to counter this trend?? Wouldn't it be better to keep it here, burn it here in the cleanest way possible, and lower our energy costs?

you are making too much sense here

 

[Paystar]

In my opinion this whole "climate crisis" agenda is the biggest global financial scam ever conceived in the history of man.

I don't know......corona virus ranks right up there too. It sure worked to change the world's economy.

 

[CH4Ohio]

Back when "horseless buggies" first came about, there were similar arguments. The cars definitely had their issues and sometimes were left by the roadside broken. Horse driven buggy drivers would happily give them a ride to town, then tell everyone about it. All these years later, we are still improving the horseless carriage and are questioning new technology. What will we be riding in 50 years from now?

True. But the GOVERNMENT didn't MANDATE that people stop riding horses, or make horses unavailable, or require a transition to the NEW technology before it was proven.

The free-market worked and people bought cars, and oil companies built gas stations, etc. The government didn't build the "fueling" stations or pay for the fuel. The consumer decided how to spend their money and what made the most sense.

Today the government is perverting the market with their subsidies and mandates and targets based on this latest version of the climate-change religion. It's hocus-pocus.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I don't know......corona virus ranks right up there too. It sure worked to change the world's economy.

although they are just getting started with the ''climate crisis''

 

[Rockbadchild]

True. But the GOVERNMENT didn't MANDATE that people stop riding horses, or make horses unavailable, or require a transition to the NEW technology before it was proven.

The free-market worked and people bought cars, and oil companies built gas stations, etc. The government didn't build the "fueling" stations or pay for the fuel. The consumer decided how to spend their money and what made the most sense.

Today the government is perverting the market with their subsidies and mandates and targets based on this latest version of the climate-change religion. It's hocus-pocus.

100% let the market dictate what the people wants.

 

[CH4Ohio]

• Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

ruffdog,

Your tagline is very appropriate to this conversation!! Good quote!

regards,

 

[Oaktree]

Illustrates a few things..... but one that stuck with me was his own infrastructure cost (whether the chargers cost 20k or 10k - vague across a few other articles, by the time you add 6k installation..... at even Canuck prices, a minimum of $16k CAD still buys a lot of fuel).

And if you have multiple vehicles, as many/most of us do you may need multiple chargers if these vehicles are all used regularly. Not to mention possible service upgrade to your home...many older places only have 100A service.
As you noted, you can buy a lot of gas for that kind of money.

 

[arto98607]

I do not understand why electric vehicle do not have a generator built in to be able to keep going and charge its own batteries...

you know instead of doing this...

I suppose this is why Tesla and others have been working on electric pickup models!

 

[ruffdog]

ruffdog,

Your tagline is very appropriate to this conversation!! Good quote!

regards,

It sure does. Remember not too long ago someone was impressed with all the rail cars filled with "clean coal"? A person has to be vigilant in what you think is the truth, regardless which side you are on. Search: clean coal lie. regards,

" He also has said in other appearances that clean coal can be exported or “loaded up” on railway cars."

 

[tacticalturnip]

It sure does. Remember not too long ago someone was impressed with all the rail cars filled with "clean coal"? A person has to be vigilant in what you think is the truth, regardless which side you are on. Search: clean coal lie. regards,

" He also has said in other appearances that clean coal can be exported or “loaded up” on railway cars."

I've sat here writing response after to response, just to cut everything I write. I don't even know how to reply, because I really hope I'm misreading or misinterpreting what you're saying. It seems that you just compared the coal industry to the holocaust; you've taken figurative dumps on folks here for making less offensive remarks.

 

[ruffdog]

It seems that you just compared the coal industry to the holocaust;

LOL....no...that was definitely not the intent. In fact, I was not "comparing" anything.

 

[ruffdog]

Both sides have lied about "clean coal". The idea that burning coal can ever be clean and the idea that coal itself is clean.

Clearing Up the Facts Behind Trump’s 'Clean Coal' Catchphrase - FactCheck.org

 

[tacticalturnip]

LOL....no...that was definitely not the intent. In fact, I was "comparing" anything.

Well, I'm admittedly happy to have misread your post. I'd rather be a little ignorant than to have been correct.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

Factcheck.org Run by the the group that killed hundreds of thousand of people over WMD in Iraq and much much more!!

 

[Hay Dude]

ruffdog,

Your tagline is very appropriate to this conversation!! Good quote!

regards,

The biggest absurdity is that the planet will end in 10 years unless we commit the atrocity of spending trillions on windmills and solar panels.

Wonder if those trillions could cure cancer, end homelessness, educate more people?

 

[Hay Dude]

It sure does. Remember not too long ago someone was impressed with all the rail cars filled with "clean coal"? A person has to be vigilant in what you think is the truth, regardless which side you are on. Search: clean coal lie. regards,

" He also has said in other appearances that clean coal can be exported or “loaded up” on railway cars."

Another absurdity is the big guy who said we were going to Build a railway across an ocean

WATCH: Biden Announces Plan To Build Massive Railway Across An Ocean

President Joe Biden unveiled this week a new transportation goal for his administration: to build a railway from the Pacific Ocean across the Indian Ocean. "We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean," Biden told a crowd at a League of Conservation...

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Or the absurdity that solar panels and windmills don’t create pollution.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

The biggest absurdity is that the planet will end in 10 years unless we commit the atrocity of spending trillions on windmills and solar panels

I have a quote saved on my desktop from like 1999, from the ICCP. It basically says that children won't even know what snow is in the next few years. They keep moving the doomsday by 10 or 20 years.

 

[Hay Dude]

You often hear that the Chinese are bringing a coal-fired power plant on-line every week, on average. (That's a startling real statistic if you think about it.) The most shocking thing that I never hear mentioned is that they're burning US coal in those plants. The Chinese buy coal mined in the US, ship it all the way to the other side of the planet (using large amounts of fossil fuel), and burn it to generate electricity.

These barges of US coal float past dozens of our power plants on the way there. We won't use it because we're too environmentally-conscious. Actually, we're too misguided.

How many ridiculous wind turbines and solar panels will we need to install to counter this trend?? Wouldn't it be better to keep it here, burn it here in the cleanest way possible, and lower our energy costs?

They ship our coal to China where they use it to power their factories to manufacture solar panels & batteries then ship them back across the ocean to us!

Talk about absurd….

That’s almost as absurd as making laws to wear useless masks. Oh wait, we did that absurdity too.

 

[CH4Ohio]

They ship our coal to China where they use it to power their factories to manufacture solar panels & batteries then ship them back across the ocean to us!

Talk about absurd….

That’s almost as absurd as making laws to wear useless masks. Oh wait, we did that absurdity too.

Exactly!

What's the carbon footprint of those bogus "green" devices by the time the raw materials are mined/produced, they're manufactured, they're shipped around the world, and they're ultimately installed using all the local concrete and copper that can be found? Not to mention the thousand of acres of land that are consumed!!

ABSURD is exactly the right word for it. The government has to force this because the free-market economics of this simply don't make sense.

Every study that looks at this from cradle-to-grave concludes that it will never result in a net reduction of carbon emissions. But it will result in a transfer of wealth and strength to our ambitious adversaries.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

They ship our coal to China where they use it to power their factories to manufacture solar panels & batteries then ship them back across the ocean to us!

Talk about absurd….

That’s almost as absurd as making laws to wear useless masks. Oh wait, we did that absurdity too.

Best thing you can do now is prepare. I really hate it. If you can't produce you are going to have to live by their rules. There are going to be a lot of people pretending that plant based or lab grown meat is delicious in the next few years. We are determined to not be in that group.

Exactly!

What's the carbon footprint of those bogus "green" devices by the time the raw materials are mined/produced, they're manufactured, they're shipped around the world, and they're ultimately installed using all the local concrete and copper that can be found? Not to mention the thousand of acres of land that are consumed!!

ABSURD is exactly the right word for it. The government has to force this because the free-market economics of this simply don't make sense.

Every study that looks at this from cradle-to-grave concludes that it will never result in a net reduction of carbon emissions. But it will result in a transfer of wealth and strength to our ambitious adversaries.

They are cowards. Just say that there are too many people and you want the poor to die. Nothing lifts poor people out of poverty like cheap energy. Everything in your house, in your freezer and refrigerator, everything parked in your driveway, everything you have is a result of cheap energy. The more poor people the more control you can exert. USA middle class is very close to being finished off and they are ecstatic.