Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[mikester]

So you would be okay with a neighbor putting a chicken house, or worse, a hog house next to you? Right on the property line? The people doing this do not want panels close to their homes. Even though two have property closer to their homes better suited (flatter) than what will be used they are not leasing that land. They are leasing land away from their homes.

Once again. They can build the facility. We just want them to follow state law and have the panels 1000' from the property lines and not 300' from neighboring homes.

Your tree did not affect the neighbors in any way. Did not decrease their property value, did not prevent access to property farmed for generations, did not present a safety hazard to their children. This solar facility does all three.

RSKY

RSKY

I have no problem with neighbors doing ag stuff. Chickens? Cows? Pigs? Go for it.

You want to be a slum lord and have renters? No, go away and move back to the city.

Solar farm a hazard for kids? WTF? Teach your city kids to stay on their own property. Be a responsible adult and tell them DO NOT trespass, DO NOT climb utility poles. DO NOT climb barb wire fences. DON'T whiz on the electric fence.

Farm kids don't seem to have these issues. Somehow I managed to survive childhood without seat belts in cars, operated farm and construction equipment as soon as I could reach the pedals - none of the equipment had any safety nannies like seat belts, seat presence switches, or PTO interlocks. If I hurt myself I wouldn't dare complain to my parents because I'd get the strap for being a dumb @ss for getting into trouble.

 

[5030]

2 of my hayfields have rentals on each side (I don't own them), if I did, those renters would be gone real quick because their kids have zero respect for my property, throw crap in my fields all the time and were using the one field as their personal MX track until I took them to court and the judge forced them to pay damages as in reseeding my field and filling in the ruts they made. Once it cost them money it stopped. Believe me, I asked them numerous times to stop but I was ignored. They had to pay my legal fees as well.

Kids today have no respect for others property for the most part but I put that squarely on poor parenting.

I own rentals on both sides of the farm that are actually rented by responsible parents with respectful children and I made it crystal clear what the rules were before they even moved in. They get stupid and I'd evict them.

I don't play.

 

[bnold]

We need to contest all points of converting our grid to solar & wind:

1.Subsidies
2.Foreign made infrastructure from hostile actors stealing our patents.
3.Questionable Effectiveness of solar & wind
4.Loss of American energy industry
5.Higher energy costs
6.Seizure of land
7.Use of Slave obtained minerals from Africa and exploitation of people
8.recycling of wind & solar equipment when it becomes junk in 10-15 years.

Once myself, and many others, are satisfied those conditions can be managed ethically and effectively, then you would have our attention.

I’m not looking for your attention. Please no.

So far no solutions, only half baked ideals.

What solar panels are becoming ‘junk’ at 10yrs?

Why aren’t you so up in arms about other industries that 1,2,4,5,6,7 apply to?

 

[riptides]

I’m not looking for your attention. Please no.

So far no solutions, only half baked ideals.

What solar panels are becoming ‘junk’ at 10yrs?

Why aren’t you so up in arms about other industries that 1,2,4,5,6,7 apply to?

Apple. A 3 trillion dollar company built on the backs of slave labor. And proprietary technology across its whole product lines.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

We need to contest all points of converting our grid to solar & wind:

1.Subsidies
2.Foreign made infrastructure from hostile actors stealing our patents.
3.Questionable Effectiveness of solar & wind
4.Loss of American energy industry
5.Higher energy costs
6.Seizure of land
7.Use of Slave obtained minerals from Africa and exploitation of people
8.recycling of wind & solar equipment when it becomes junk in 10-15 years.

Once myself, and many others, are satisfied those conditions can be managed ethically and effectively, then you would have our attention.

Where do you come up with solar being junk after 10-15 years? Link???

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Where do you come up with solar being junk after 10-15 years? Link???

I installed some of these Arco panels in 1983 and they are still in service today.

Testing a Forty-Year-Old Photovoltaic Module - GreenBuildingAdvisor

I purchased and installed my first solar electric panel—technically known as a photovoltaic module—in 1980. The PV module, an Arco model 16-2000, was rated at 33 watts. Installed on the […]

www.greenbuildingadvisor.com

 

[Hay Dude]

Where do you come up with solar being junk after 10-15 years? Link???

I heard the panels lose effectiveness after 15 years, or sooner.

Link this….

See “Boom Period” paragraph.

Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

A French factory is pioneering recycling of solar units as experts warn of a waste mountain by 2050.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hay Dude]

Yep. If they can reclaim anything a make money, it'll happen. Bottom line is always the money.

It remains yet to see if solar panel recycling will/will not be profitable.

Maybe it’ll create a few new jobs to help with the 10’s of thousands of coal, oil and NG jobs being lost in America in the very near future.

Heck there was a coal fired plant that shuttered in New Mexico. Couple hundred people lost their jobs.

Know who most of the employees were? Native Americans.

Sign me up for some chinese solar panels & batteries. Soooooo dang good for American labor!

 

[Mike_in_Missouri]

We may have discovered a way to make the upcoming 1200+ acre solar farm acceptable to residents. There is a Kentucky law that says an electric generating plant must be at least 1000' from property lines. A county ordinance could decrease this distance, but it cannot be increased. So the closest a panel could be located is 1000' from a road, property line, etc. When this was brought up at the last meeting the GreenGo people said that they were going to have a county ordinance passed reducing the distance to 300' FROM A RESIDENCE !! Not the property line, from the residence. Think about that. Several of the families living on lots next to the 'solar farm' will have solar panels 300' from their home on all three sides plus across the road. The county commissioners didn't know anything about this proposed ordinance until we met with them.

The company doing this keeps repeating that it will pay out around $18 million to people in the county over the next twenty years. This will only go to three families. The county will be on the hook for disposing of defective panels, cleaning up the site after the twenty year lease is up and not renewed, firefighting equipment and training, road repair, and several other things. None of the three families involved have the panels near or around their homes. They made sure that the closest was around a quarter mile away. They also have larger areas around their relatives homes than the proposed 300'. Well, except for one guy who has his ex-wife's house completely blocked off by the panels.

The company is leasing the land from the farmers, did not want to outright buy it. After reading the results of several multi-million dollar lawsuits we are convinced that the company is setting up the land owners to take the fall when the inevitable lawsuits occur. And the people doing this are too greedy or too ignorant to realize this.

Corporate owns you. They own me. They own everyone and everything.

And we all thought governments ran the show... When Corporate decides it is time to make real money, they'll decide to have a war.
Seriously, I am becoming more and more of the opinion that a few key conglomerates have a lot more power in politics and world events than we may realize.

 

[Hay Dude]

Corporate owns you. They own me. They own everyone and everything.

And we all thought governments ran the show...

You only got 1/3rd of the sum total.
Now combine Corporate, Government and Media all together.
See what happens?

 

[bmaverick]

We have a solar farm in the area.

It's built to withstand high winds and damaging hail. The panels are 1/3rd the size of normal panels. Thus, it can take those large hail balls of up to 4-inches. Under each panel is a wind deflector. So wind can't under them to make into kites.

I have solar panels that are 26 years old and still going strong. No decay and they look the same as the day placed in use from 1997.

I find making power from VAWT is 2X better than solar, yet a person must live in a windy enough area to have such a great return. Plus, the VAWT takes up less space. These recycle 55-gallon plastic HDPE drums.

 

[MossRoad]

It remains yet to see if solar panel recycling will/will not be profitable.

Maybe it’ll create a few new jobs to help with the 10’s of thousands of coal, oil and NG jobs being lost in America in the very near future.

Heck there was a coal fired plant that shuttered in New Mexico. Couple hundred people lost their jobs.

Know who most of the employees were? Native Americans.

Sign me up for some chinese solar panels & batteries. Soooooo dang good for American labor!

There are two brand new natural gas power plants within 12 miles of me.
They aren't going anywhere in the near future.

 

[jyoutz]

There are two brand new natural gas power plants within 12 miles of me.
They aren't going anywhere in the near future.

We have several new NG plants that replaced coal plants. They are far more efficient and cleaner to run than the coal plants they replaced. They will be around a long time because they provide the base load energy when solar and wind aren’t at peak efficiency. And because natural gas is very abundant and cheap in my state.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

There is a lot of speculation, rumors, misinformation on solar. Is it perfect? No, but nothing is. You can find something negative about anything. My solar system (52panels) lost arguably 0 efficiency after 12 years or so. I'm not sure how panels are tested then rated for maintaining their efficiency, but mine were waranteed for 20 years. Safe bet is they do not stop working at the 20 year mark.They are rooftop mounted facing SWish. I can see points of view that they are ugly to look at in a field farm, same true with any form of energy producer. They produced some power on cloudy days, even with some snow covering. Storage was through the power company. People believe what they want about solar, oil, coal, wind, nuculear, we all have opinions. They all work though...

 

[bmaverick]

It would be interesting to make this comparison:

Amount of land need to be covered with solar panel farms & windmills farms to supply the US with all it’s current power needs versus amount of land needed for NG & Nukes to supply the US with all it’s power needs.

Those windmills in the once beautiful Western Maryland mountains are big and ugly and cover an entire stretch of mountain range.
Now this a$$clown Murphy wants to put 1000’ tall windmills on the Jersey Shore coastline. Tall enough to see from the beaches and plenty of wooshing noise.

UGH, I hate those windmill style generators. Yes, big and ugly.

I have 1 VAWT under construction and a second one right now in a parts bin. The 2 55-gallon barrels are clean and ready for pattern cutting. The internal aluminum brace bars are a good too. Just time to construct and the interface to the treadmill 90VDC motor for 400W of power generation.

I have the plans from the VAWT. These can be clean looking narrow and elegant for the little room they take up. Plus, these don't have to be a mile high in the air. At most a flag pole height. Or atop a 2 story home out of the way in the back.

 

[MossRoad]

We have several new NG plants that replaced coal plants. They are far more efficient and cleaner to run than the coal plants they replaced. They will be around a long time because they provide the base load energy when solar and wind aren’t at peak efficiency. And because natural gas is very abundant and cheap in my state.

There's a large coal power plant 30 miles west of us in Michigan City, IN that converted to NG.

Here in town, Notre Dame had 4 coal boilers for electricity and 2 NG. They decommissioned the coal 2 years ago and installed more NG. They also are just finishing up a hydro plant in downtown South Bend that will provide 7% of their electricity. They are partnered with a solar farm east of town. They're building a small solar farm on campus. They're installing 1000 geothermal wells under their south parking lots to compliment the 1500 geothermal wells that have been under their north sports fields for about 7-8 years.

There's a 1000+ acre solar farm going in west of us.

There's a 640 acre $3.5B (billion) battery plant going in the same area.

That 1000+ acre solar farm is going in right next to one of the new NG plants I mentioned above and the new battery plant.

There are several large wind farms to the southwest and southeast of us within 100 miles.

Diversified energy sources is the way to go. Coal is trending down due to economics, plain and simple.

 

[jyoutz]

There's a large coal power plant 30 miles west of us in Michigan City, IN that converted to NG.

Here in town, Notre Dame had 4 coal boilers for electricity and 2 NG. They decommissioned the coal 2 years ago and installed more NG. They also are just finishing up a hydro plant in downtown South Bend that will provide 7% of their electricity. They are partnered with a solar farm east of town. They're building a small solar farm on campus. They're installing 1000 geothermal wells under their south parking lots to compliment the 1500 geothermal wells that have been under their north sports fields for about 7-8 years.

There's a 1000+ acre solar farm going in west of us.

There's a 640 acre $3.5B (billion) battery plant going in the same area.

That 1000+ acre solar farm is going in right next to one of the new NG plants I mentioned above and the new battery plant.

There are several large wind farms to the southwest and southeast of us within 100 miles.

Diversified energy sources is the way to go. Coal is trending down due to economics, plain and simple.

If you really look at the economics of coal, it’s not a winner. Mining, rail transportation, plant cleanup, toxic waste disposal. All involving lots of labor and costs. NG is simply a pipeline into the power plant, which operates on demand, with little to no cleanup costs. The same with renewable energy sources.

 

[Cub 7275]

Once again, it is not 100 yards from the property line. It is 100 yards from the residence, that is the house the neighbors live in. One of the maps, that I did not get to see, at the first meeting with the company had neat circles drawn around the houses at 100 yards. Panels would be against the property lines outside of those circles.

Is this the proposed installation? Banjo Creek | Banjo Creek Solar


Video from that website:

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

I heard the panels lose effectiveness after 15 years, or sooner.

Link this….

See “Boom Period” paragraph.

Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

A French factory is pioneering recycling of solar units as experts warn of a waste mountain by 2050.

www.bbc.com

Good article.

Copied from article: "Currently there is not enough silver available to build the millions of solar panels which will be required in the the transition from fossil fuels, says Mr Defrenne: "You can see where you have a production bottleneck, it's silver.""