Help needed to find a router bit

[EddieWalker]

I'm working on a house for a lady who recently became a widow. Her husband had retired and started a massive remodel of their house, then passed away about half way through it. His buddy tried to take over, but wasn't really up to it. I'm finishing things off, fixing a few things, and trying to understand what his plan was so she will be happy with it when I'm done.

One of the things that I'm struggling with is building two kitchen cabinets to match the existing cabinets. He started building a pantry that changed where the cabinets where, so I can either build a few doors to match, or spend a lot of her money to build brand new doors for all of the kitchen. My first choice is to build a couple doors and save her as much money as I can.

The picture shows what I need. I've searched Rockler, Amazon and Grizzly without any luck. Usually I can find whatever I want on those websites. Where else should I look? What is this cut called? I need it for the rail and stiles of the door. The panels are flat.



Thank you,
Eddie

 

[BigGG]

If I am interpreting your problem correctly, that looks like 2 different trim pieces, coped to fit the corner. The larger is square with one corner rounded over, the other is shoe or quarter round.

 

[EddieWalker]

It's all one piece, cut with a single router bit, or shaper bit. I don't have a shaper, so I'm hoping that I can find a router bit like this. I believe the kitchen was built 30 years ago.

 

[ponytug]

@EddieWalker You are the guy on site, but from your photo, it sure looks like two pieces of trim.

I think what you want might be a double round over bit.

All the best,

Peter

 

[EddieWalker]

That looks really close, and if I can't find the exact router bit, I'm sure I can make this work!!! Thank you.

 

[ponytug]

That looks really close, and if I can't find the exact router bit, I'm sure I can make this work!!! Thank you.

Great! Try searching "double router bit" and scroll through the images. There are lots of them out there, and there is always slightly regrinding one to what you want.

All the best,

Peter

 

[mwayne]

It may indeed be one piece of wood but made in two passes, the first pass with the finish side flat on the router table and the second pass with the wood against a fence to complete the end bead. Even if you can't find a bit that works I bet you could replicate it in a two part process.

 

[kennyd]

Can you work a deal with her to buy/use his shaper and tooling if it's still available?

There are companies that will custom grind bits, usually for shapers though, and it probably won't be cheap especially if you want carbide.

 

[jmc]

Seems like the old timers used to hand file their profile on a handplane blade blank and do them manually. Wouldn't be much wood to remove from a stepped strip of wood.

 

[2manyrocks]

Is this specific bit or cutting head still in his stuff?

Wonder if it is a router bit or a cutting head for his table saw? Sears used to sell table saw cutting heads with different profiles as accessories for their table saws 30ish years ago.

 

[jaxs]

I also believe it's 2 pieces but either way you can easily duplicate it with 2. Look at a Oak shoe mold for larger one and quarter round for smaller. Both will need one corner rounded over.

 

[jaxs]

Seems like the old timers used to hand file their profile on a handplane blade blank and do them manually. Wouldn't be much wood to remove from a stepped strip of wood.

Is this specific bit or cutting head still in his stuff?

Wonder if it is a router bit or a cutting head for his table saw? Sears used to sell table saw cutting heads with different profiles as accessories for their table saws 30ish years ago.

Right you both are. I still have one of those Craftsman molding heads and at one had an old key duplicator that I used to cut profiles. I don't think a custom bit is required in this case,minor modifying of shoe and quarter mold is all that's needed.

 

[3Ts]

Eddie, that little tab circled in red tells me that this is 2 pieces of trim. He's done an excellent job of fitting the 2 pieces together to make it look like one piece. That tab would not be there if he mitered the moulding, the cut would be a straight line all the way across the trim piece. Also note that the larger piece does not intersect the rails & stile in the exact corner which tells me that he is coping the trim pieces. This will cover the joints when the wood moves. The next question is how did he attach the trim pieces, hopefully it's not to the panel, although if that's a plywood panel it won't move much.

Also, for those that may not be aware of it. A pin nailer to fasten trim is very useful. The pins are typically 23 gauge and can be had in different lengths and are essentially invisible and do not need to be filled. I have installed cabinet trim using a pin nailer on factory finished cabinets and you can't see the pins.

 

[dstig1]

Eagle America or MLCS (same outfit as I think one bought the other) has a huge selection of quality router and shaper bits. If you can't find it there, it probably doesn't exist. Other than what previous posters have said I don't have an answer for what the shape is called, but it could also be only a partial profile from a larger bit like an ogee.

I also agree with others that it looks to be tacked on, but hard to tell from 500 miles away... Either way you still need to make it.

 

[JasperFrank]

Its a two piece trim. You can't router your way out of it. The sections will break off and make a mess of things. I like to save things,,, and have found this to be a downfall almost every time to match something per-exitisting. Wish you well in this completion, but sometimes ya gotta give it up. Make it look the same, and give up on re-creating the original work. Those bits and pieces don't exist any more.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

The double round on this page looks close:

HValley Tools | Home of MLCS Woodworking and Eagle America.

Shop HValley Tools for Brands MLCS Woodworking and Eagle America. Woodworking tools, laser engraver, CNC machines, Epoxy Resin Wood Art Supplies.

www.eagleamerica.com

 

[mikester]

Start here

Classic Roman Ogee Bits - Lee Valley Tools

www.leevalley.com

 

[EddieWalker]

The double round on this page looks close:

HValley Tools | Home of MLCS Woodworking and Eagle America.

Shop HValley Tools for Brands MLCS Woodworking and Eagle America. Woodworking tools, laser engraver, CNC machines, Epoxy Resin Wood Art Supplies.

www.eagleamerica.com

It's very close. Probably good enough. I'll have to make a decision pretty soon. I'm spraying texture today on the walls and then I'll start building the cabinets. I can do the doors any time, but the sooner, the better.

Thanks!!!

 

[EddieWalker]

Eagle America or MLCS (same outfit as I think one bought the other) has a huge selection of quality router and shaper bits. If you can't find it there, it probably doesn't exist. Other than what previous posters have said I don't have an answer for what the shape is called, but it could also be only a partial profile from a larger bit like an ogee.

I also agree with others that it looks to be tacked on, but hard to tell from 500 miles away... Either way you still need to make it.

Thank you. I bought from Eagle America decades ago, but forgot all about them.

 

[EddieWalker]

I wasn’t clear. The cabinets where not built by the home owner. In my opinion, they are something you would expect from a Big Box type of store. I do not think a cabinet shop made them. They are not really great cabinets. You might even say that they are kind of cheap cabinets. There isn’t anything wrong with them, but there isn’t anything great about them. She is in her 70s and she just wants it all done so her kids can inherit a finished home.