I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped
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Many years ago an inventor friend (rip) designed electronic equipment and was especially interested in biofeedback. Today I'm sure he would be working with artificial intelligence.
He developed a biofeedback headband for Atari instead of joystick and visited Nolan Bushnell, I have a video of an arcade people controlling Pac-Man by thought.
My friend's college major was philosophy of all things, his wife was a Neuroscientist.
He said there was a point in history (industrial revolution) where man could have focused on mechanical or electronic and electronic won out. Early cars were mechanical except for the ignition system, with time starter, lights, etc.
After college I became an electronic technician, consumer electronics, and started my own business with my wife. My thoughts on EVs are similar to what Rowan Atkinson said but I believe it's more nefarious, and I'm not at all in to conspiracy theories but with everything I try peeling back onion skin layers to see what could be there. The deeper meaning, not what's seen on the surface.
For years I've thought a solution to many of today's problems would be a microchip implant many people would embrace since it could stop shoplifting, missing kids, etc. Each person tracked, identified, no need for cash/credit card...the list goes on. The magical better world via electronics.
Modern cars are filled with electronics and especially EVs you're riding inside a computer.
So just like when WiFi TVs and gadgets (Alexa) came out, the consumer could be heard and watched. Anyone using their imagination could see how riding inside a computer could be used!
On the surface EVs are presented in various ways: elimination of petroleum, saving money, free transportation with home solar, going green, no CO2, they're faster than ICE, etc. Peel back the onion layers and is there or could there be an underlying agenda?
He developed a biofeedback headband for Atari instead of joystick and visited Nolan Bushnell, I have a video of an arcade people controlling Pac-Man by thought.
My friend's college major was philosophy of all things, his wife was a Neuroscientist.
He said there was a point in history (industrial revolution) where man could have focused on mechanical or electronic and electronic won out. Early cars were mechanical except for the ignition system, with time starter, lights, etc.
After college I became an electronic technician, consumer electronics, and started my own business with my wife. My thoughts on EVs are similar to what Rowan Atkinson said but I believe it's more nefarious, and I'm not at all in to conspiracy theories but with everything I try peeling back onion skin layers to see what could be there. The deeper meaning, not what's seen on the surface.
For years I've thought a solution to many of today's problems would be a microchip implant many people would embrace since it could stop shoplifting, missing kids, etc. Each person tracked, identified, no need for cash/credit card...the list goes on. The magical better world via electronics.
Modern cars are filled with electronics and especially EVs you're riding inside a computer.
So just like when WiFi TVs and gadgets (Alexa) came out, the consumer could be heard and watched. Anyone using their imagination could see how riding inside a computer could be used!
On the surface EVs are presented in various ways: elimination of petroleum, saving money, free transportation with home solar, going green, no CO2, they're faster than ICE, etc. Peel back the onion layers and is there or could there be an underlying agenda?
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Probably the same way that after years and years they still can't make door lock actuators that don't fill with moisture and freeze all winter long even after being replaced under warranty. LOL
Hopefully your Massey serves you well. That is a nice tractor. I'd love to have one, but if you look at their price in Canadian dollars it will make you faint, LOL
RustyA
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Up North the waste oil is used to heat shops in winter and run asphalt plants in summer. Waste oil is double filtered and fired under pressure so it's no dirtier than an oil furnace.
Jim Shooz
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Just imagine the fun/problems if Lucas made electric cars
CloverKnollFarms
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That was a great Ted Talk. EVs aren't helping the environment at this point. But they come with something ICE vehicles don't... The coveted virtue signal.
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Locust Electric Vehicles Mmm...
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"Do you have some sort of filter you run it thru first?" No, I just let it sit for a while and all the little metal bits go to the bottom. Everyone's mileage varies, but I've never had an issue with the oil clogging any more than store bought chain oil. I am eventually left over with the dregs, and this, I do recycle. 
My big beef with the EV drum beating is when I ask
1)where is the power coming from?
2) How is it getting to the consumer?
3)How big an UPGRADE is required and how long?
Last winter there were rolling blackouts due to a very cold calm clear night, so RENEWABLES are PROVED unreliable with out fosssil backup.
Wind farms are almost always a long way from the consumer. (People don't want big new power lines near them.)
Currently the national grid(transmission) (New Zealand) can NOT handle the projected load AND the substations are also inadequate.
Any hard (numbers and time lines) questions are met with slogans and bulls**t.
1)where is the power coming from?
2) How is it getting to the consumer?
3)How big an UPGRADE is required and how long?
Last winter there were rolling blackouts due to a very cold calm clear night, so RENEWABLES are PROVED unreliable with out fosssil backup.
Wind farms are almost always a long way from the consumer. (People don't want big new power lines near them.)
Currently the national grid(transmission) (New Zealand) can NOT handle the projected load AND the substations are also inadequate.
Any hard (numbers and time lines) questions are met with slogans and bulls**t.
CloverKnollFarms
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Basically todays EVs are currently making the environment worse.
Now I feel virtuous for driving a CRV
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Now I feel virtuous for driving a CRV
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NoTrespassing
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Like when doctors used to say smoking cigarettes was healthy?Basically todays EVs are currently making the environment worse.
Now I feel virtuous for driving a CRV
CloverKnollFarms
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And masks protected you from a Chinese virus
Am I the only one who can admit they don't actually have a clue of the difference in environmental impact of a ice vs ev vehicle?
To truly know this seems like it would take a full time job/life dedication.
You'd have to research the machines that make the drilling components, the process of drilling, the machines that make the mining machines, the mining process(for both ev and ice materials), oil production/disposal of engine oil, gear box fluid, coolant, brake fluid, magnets, copper wires, computer chips, disposal of batteries, people driving to and from the factories to work, etc, etc, the list just keeps going and going.
I see many feelings in this thread but I think that's just it, anyone who says they understand all of this and work a job doing something else is full of it. In my opinion.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that keeping an older vehicle working would be better than buying a new one no matter how much more efficient it is, but I also admit that just a feeling and I haven't done the research to back that up with hard facts.
To truly know this seems like it would take a full time job/life dedication.
You'd have to research the machines that make the drilling components, the process of drilling, the machines that make the mining machines, the mining process(for both ev and ice materials), oil production/disposal of engine oil, gear box fluid, coolant, brake fluid, magnets, copper wires, computer chips, disposal of batteries, people driving to and from the factories to work, etc, etc, the list just keeps going and going.
I see many feelings in this thread but I think that's just it, anyone who says they understand all of this and work a job doing something else is full of it. In my opinion.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that keeping an older vehicle working would be better than buying a new one no matter how much more efficient it is, but I also admit that just a feeling and I haven't done the research to back that up with hard facts.
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Here is a real fact that everyone overlooks. "Al Gore invented the internet and global warming" TaDa!
I'm not a fan of the dude but he does know how to lose.
Snobdds
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I have no way to prove water is wet...but I am pretty confident in that fact.
Lol. I can touch water, can't you? What is your estimate of pollution in the entire ice process vs entire ev process? Ev twice as bad, three times or you just know they're worse and that's enough?
Snobdds
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Let me explain it this way...
100 years ago when oil was found and they started to process, store it, and use it; it was a very dirty process. Today most of the oil and subsequent use has been streamlined and very efficient. Efficiency usually brings cleanliness.
Today we have to get batteries from Lithium and Cobalt. Those process are just like oil's beginnings, it's a very dirty process. With Lithium, it's not like drilling, it's major mining and settling ponds. Now it will get better, but it took decades for oil to make that happen.
So we don't have to drill down into any process to figure out which one is cleaner today.
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