LS or Kubota

[paulfun9]

Lool into the whole issue of proprietary connections.
I've read that the LS has a lot of proprietary connection points. Dunno what they are. check it out.

Beware: As my husband tries to warn others on so many things ranging from politics to everyday purchases. False advertising comes in many different forms.

He often says if he had a dollar for every bulls$$+ story or inaccurate comparrison he heard from people about one car, truck, motorcycle or tractor being better or worse than the next because of blind loyalty he would be a billionaire!

Why do you not list those propietary items?
Why do you repeat a rumor that you have no facts to support?

I honestly think simply repeating hearsay like that is only adding to the demise of our civilization, especially when the truth can be found in just moments with the computer a few strokes of the keyboard and avoiding known unreliable sources that everyone knows practice censorship. Not very concerned about the censorship when it comes to tractors but other things that step becomes very important.

Janet

 

[paulfun9]

I agree ! These second tier tractors never have the support of the major brands . The dealer goes out of business or switches brands and then you’re stuck trying to find parts and support. The tractor itself may not be all that bad but there isn’t enough dealer support or vise versa.

Our Kioti dealer is still there, still sells Kioti and as a former New Holland dealer, he still services what he sold so many years ago.

What I have noticed is even with some of the start up dealerships folding, many have simply moved to better locations. Other thing I noticed was a lot of the old New Holland, John Deere and even Kubota dealerships that I used to see are now selling LS, Kioti, Branson and some even sell more than one brand which was not as uncommon as some think it was years ago.
Those dealers were family owned and most all had good buisness practices and great reputations. What I wonder is why they would choose to drop what some here say is the superior brand for a second tier- non contender? That choice from well established verifiable businesses makes me wonder, what changes on a cooperate level brought about the choice to sell a so called second tier non- contender?
Start up businesses closing is really of no concern when you consider the failiure rate of any and all start up’s in any or all buisness models overall. Look at the failiure rates across the board in year 1 to 10 then compare. Many are just not going to be successful even if they had your so called first tier- contender.
Running a successful buisness requires much more than many understand or can even contemplate and failiure rates are high in all forms even when the product is of good or great quality.

Janet

 

[Jstpssng]

What I wonder is why they would choose to drop what some here say is the superior brand for a second tier- non contender? That choice from well established verifiable businesses makes me wonder, what changes on a cooperate level brought about the choice to sell a so called second tier non- contender?

It might not even be their choice. I don't know anything about Corporate Kubota but other manufacturers are refusing to renew smaller franchises, preferring to have a few big ones sell their products. I know of one local saw shop which no longer sells Husqvarna as he wasn't meeting his quota; and the local privately owned car dealership was going to sell out, but GM wouldn't allow it.

 

[claggstractors]

It might not even be their choice. I don't know anything about Corporate Kubota but other manufacturers are refusing to renew smaller franchises, preferring to have a few big ones sell their products. I know of one local saw shop which no longer sells Husqvarna as he wasn't meeting his quota; and the local privately owned car dealership was going to sell out, but GM wouldn't allow it.

Local Kubota dealer got the construction line pulled in favor of a bigger dealer. They even pulled all their service manuals and tools that were specific to the construction stuff.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Beware: As my husband tries to warn others on so many things ranging from politics to everyday purchases. False advertising comes in many different forms.

He often says if he had a dollar for every bulls$$+ story or inaccurate comparrison he heard from people about one car, truck, motorcycle or tractor being better or worse than the next because of blind loyalty he would be a billionaire!

Why do you not list those propietary items?
Why do you repeat a rumor that you have no facts to support?

I honestly think simply repeating hearsay like that is only adding to the demise of our civilization, especially when the truth can be found in just moments with the computer a few strokes of the keyboard and avoiding known unreliable sources that everyone knows practice censorship. Not very concerned about the censorship when it comes to tractors but other things that step becomes very important.

Janet

He's an attorney..... repeating hearsay is part of that

 

[paulfun9]

Local Kubota dealer got the construction line pulled in favor of a bigger dealer. They even pulled all their service manuals and tools that were specific to the construction stuff.

How can that dealer service a machine he had already sold?
That to me is interpreted as kubota wants to dictate to me which dealer I have to deal with. Not a company I want to do buisness with!

Janet

 

[paulfun9]

He's an attorney..... repeating hearsay is part of that

Oh My!

Janet

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Our Kioti dealer is still there, still sells Kioti and as a former New Holland dealer, he still services what he sold so many years ago.

What I have noticed is even with some of the start up dealerships folding, many have simply moved to better locations. Other thing I noticed was a lot of the old New Holland, John Deere and even Kubota dealerships that I used to see are now selling LS, Kioti, Branson and some even sell more than one brand which was not as uncommon as some think it was years ago.
Those dealers were family owned and most all had good buisness practices and great reputations. What I wonder is why they would choose to drop what some here say is the superior brand for a second tier- non contender? That choice from well established verifiable businesses makes me wonder, what changes on a cooperate level brought about the choice to sell a so called second tier non- contender?
Start up businesses closing is really of no concern when you consider the failiure rate of any and all start up’s in any or all buisness models overall. Look at the failiure rates across the board in year 1 to 10 then compare. Many are just not going to be successful even if they had your so called first tier- contender.
Running a successful buisness requires much more than many understand or can even contemplate and failiure rates are high in all forms even when the product is of good or great quality.

Janet

I actually spoke with a corporate person regarding starting up a dealership. They pulled all of the regional sales figures from the 4 tractor dealers here.... K, JD, Mah, and NH. He did an analysis and felt that another brand (LS) would definitely capture some of the market.

Going further into it, it would take about $250-350K in a credit line for the "floorplan" inventory. This would be through Wells Fargo.... 1st strike!
That would be in addition to leasing or buying a building on my own dime, possibly another $200-250K.....strike 2! Then all salaries / benefits for employees would also be out of pocket for at least the first 6 months, probably a year.....strike 3!

I could have jumped in 'whole hog', but there is a lot of risk involved for sure! Enough risk that I did not want to take a chance on loosing my retirement funds. Just way too many variables to chance. There were other deciding factors that came into play... this area has very little farming, the demand is for the typical homeowner tractor. The floorplan requires to have sizes across the board, so there could have been larger tractors sitting on the lot for possibly months or even longer.

I have previous business experience, and there were just too many risks to make the gamble worth it to me. I believe that the failure rate of start up dealers is high due to these risks and more.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Me, I have brush guards on the front and a dumber in the seat or so says my wife. Nothing on the back unless I have an implement on the hitch.

I do have a front bumper/brush guard, but just a loose nut behind the wheel...

 

[claggstractors]

Local Kubota dealer got the construction line pulled in favor of a bigger dealer. They even pulled all their service manuals and tools that were specific to the construction stuff.

How can that dealer service a machine he had already sold?
That to me is interpreted as kubota wants to dictate to me which dealer I have to deal with. Not a company I want to do buisness with!

Janet

He basically can't, which is BS. Especially considering the Kubota skidsteers require a reset of a counter in the computer after so many regen cylces. Everything else can be fine, but the it has hit it's set amount of cycles and can only be reset with Kubota scan tool. Whole other story about what happened when it went to the "new" Kubota construction dealer after I had worked on it up to the reset point lol.

Don't worry though, every brand ends up pullin' the same crap sooner or later.

 

[claggstractors]

I actually spoke with a corporate person regarding starting up a dealership. They pulled all of the regional sales figures from the 4 tractor dealers here.... K, JD, Mah, and NH. He did an analysis and felt that another brand (LS) would definitely capture some of the market.

Going further into it, it would take about $250-350K in a credit line for the "floorplan" inventory. This would be through Wells Fargo.... 1st strike!
That would be in addition to leasing or buying a building on my own dime, possibly another $200-250K.....strike 2! Then all salaries / benefits for employees would also be out of pocket for at least the first 6 months, probably a year.....strike 3!

I could have jumped in 'whole hog', but there is a lot of risk involved for sure! Enough risk that I did not want to take a chance on loosing my retirement funds. Just way too many variables to chance. There were other deciding factors that came into play... this area has very little farming, the demand is for the typical homeowner tractor. The floorplan requires to have sizes across the board, so there could have been larger tractors sitting on the lot for possibly months or even longer.

I have previous business experience, and there were just too many risks to make the gamble worth it to me. I believe that the failure rate of start up dealers is high due to these risks and more.

Yep, ya hit the nail on the head with everything said there. On top of that, imagine what happens when supplied with defective product and warranties are not paid or they give you stuff to sell without the necessary service documentation or tools available. Manufacturers have no problem with ruining the name of an existing business too.

 

[Hay Dude]

Beware: As my husband tries to warn others on so many things ranging from politics to everyday purchases. False advertising comes in many different forms.

He often says if he had a dollar for every bulls$$+ story or inaccurate comparrison he heard from people about one car, truck, motorcycle or tractor being better or worse than the next because of blind loyalty he would be a billionaire!

Why do you not list those propietary items?
Why do you repeat a rumor that you have no facts to support?

I honestly think simply repeating hearsay like that is only adding to the demise of our civilization, especially when the truth can be found in just moments with the computer a few strokes of the keyboard and avoiding known unreliable sources that everyone knows practice censorship. Not very concerned about the censorship when it comes to tractors but other things that step becomes very important.

Janet

Wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard “Ford owns Cummins” lol

 

[Williy]

Did y'all know that Cummin's owns Catapillar

willy

 

[paulfun9]

I actually spoke with a corporate person regarding starting up a dealership. They pulled all of the regional sales figures from the 4 tractor dealers here.... K, JD, Mah, and NH. He did an analysis and felt that another brand (LS) would definitely capture some of the market.

Going further into it, it would take about $250-350K in a credit line for the "floorplan" inventory. This would be through Wells Fargo.... 1st strike!
That would be in addition to leasing or buying a building on my own dime, possibly another $200-250K.....strike 2! Then all salaries / benefits for employees would also be out of pocket for at least the first 6 months, probably a year.....strike 3!

I could have jumped in 'whole hog', but there is a lot of risk involved for sure! Enough risk that I did not want to take a chance on loosing my retirement funds. Just way too many variables to chance. There were other deciding factors that came into play... this area has very little farming, the demand is for the typical homeowner tractor. The floorplan requires to have sizes across the board, so there could have been larger tractors sitting on the lot for possibly months or even longer.

I have previous business experience, and there were just too many risks to make the gamble worth it to me. I believe that the failure rate of start up dealers is high due to these risks and more.

Dealing with wells will find a way to rip you off Fargo would have been more than enough to have me RUN, not walk.
As for the other cash needs, isn’t that just pocket change for everyone these days?


Janet

 

[claggstractors]

Dealing with wells will find a way to rip you off Fargo would have been more than enough to have me RUN, not walk.
As for the other cash needs, isn’t that just pocket change for everyone these days?


Janet

Worst part is, after a couple or few years, the manufacturer will change floor plan and financing providers. Puts the dealer in a tough spot.

 

[Bearsixty7]

Wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard “Ford owns Cummins” lol

This contributed to the rumor, I'm sure.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...zkmoFHRIADmcQ9QF6BAgVEAE#imgrc=n3TgX_I87H1gaM
Back in 1990 Ford Motor Company purchased 10.8% of common stock in the company. The company even had a seat on the Board their own Vice President (Kenneth R. Dabrowski)Then in 1997 Cummins purchased the shares (1.3 Million worth) back from Ford and that was that.Mar 29, 2018

 

[paulfun9]

This contributed to the rumor, I'm sure.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ZCEB_enUS836US836&sxsrf=ALiCzsarGrx2PJk1UdBp20LOvanu236aJg:1659385132777&q=When+did+Ford+own+Cummins?&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=n3TgX_I87H1gaM%2CE0xi_7ehldZSxM%2C_&usg=AI4_-kQ0nGrf-jIP8wPuq61ZHJxZtqz92w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQx4mru6b5AhWzkmoFHRIADmcQ9QF6BAgVEAE#imgrc=n3TgX_I87H1gaM
Back in 1990 Ford Motor Company purchased 10.8% of common stock in the company. The company even had a seat on the Board their own Vice President (Kenneth R. Dabrowski)Then in 1997 Cummins purchased the shares (1.3 Million worth) back from Ford and that was that.Mar 29, 2018

Thinking about this I only had two good fords. Well my husband had one and I had the other.
One had the inline 6 gass and the other had a Cummins. Both still run to this day but have been removed from road use do to rust.

Janet

 

[tacticalturnip]

On a similar note, Chrysler owned Lamborghini for 7 years...

 

[shooterdon]

My friend is going through this. An equivalent Kubota to the LS MT3 Cab he is looking at will be $9,000 more.

He spent about 1/2 an hour on my LS after church this week and really liked it.

I told him the Kubota was a better tractor. IMO the LS dealer is far better than the local Kubota dealer. Like me, he looks at the $9,000 difference and cannot justify it.

BTW, my LS is three years old and has 250 hours on it. He asked why the hours are so low. I explained to him I am a "hobby" user, like he will be. You will put a lot more hours on in the first year getting jobs done and once they are done you have fewer projects. Our "routine" jobs are grading, snow removal, food plots, and firewood processing. I told him even if he puts on double what I do (170 hrs a year) these tractors will go over 5000 hours. That is 30 years.

It makes that $9,000 difference difficult to justify unless you have the money. OTOH, $9,000 is only $300/year for a better machine if you live another 30 years. But I am 71 and went with the 'POS' LS and have no regrets. He is 55 but not rich and will likely get the LS as well.

 

[Jstpssng]

My friend is going through this. An equivalent Kubota to the LS MT3 Cab he is looking at will be $9,000 more.

He spent about 1/2 an hour on my LS after church this week and really liked it.

I told him the Kubota was a better tractor. IMO the LS dealer is far better than the local Kubota dealer. Like me, he looks at the $9,000 difference and cannot justify it.

BTW, my LS is three years old and has 250 hours on it. He asked why the hours are so low. I explained to him I am a "hobby" user, like he will be. You will put a lot more hours on in the first year getting jobs done and once they are done you have fewer projects. Our "routine" jobs are grading, snow removal, food plots, and firewood processing. I told him even if he puts on double what I do (170 hrs a year) these tractors will go over 5000 hours. That is 30 years.

It makes that $9,000 difference difficult to justify unless you have the money. OTOH, $9,000 is only $300/year for a better machine if you live another 30 years. But I am 71 and went with the 'POS' LS and have no regrets. He is 55 but not rich and will likely get the LS as well.

I've said this several times before, probably even in this thread. LS is the new kid on the block right now, and trying to capture market share. They seem to have a pretty good product and most people I talk to/read about are satisfied customers. I believe that as time goes on their pricing will increase; likely enough to negate the corresponding depreciation.

Having said that, I'm still a Kubota snob.