Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

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   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #561  
I guess many wonder what the Biden admin. is doing for the rest of the country. I am sure a vested green California gets the perks it needs to help promote a policy with their "green energy showroom" Bad example of common sense evolution when you just add debt to cover the costs....... Ordinary citizens of CA can't afford it (so if they can, they move out)
Ive seen more cashing out and moving to greener pastures because they do have options.

Typically, it is not a question if not being available to afford but questioning the value of what they are paying for...

Those that truly cannot afford it find California to be on the generous side with services and even income pilot programs.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #562  
Ive seen more cashing out and moving to greener pastures because they do have options.

Typically, it is not a question if not being available to afford but questioning the value of what they are paying for...

Those that truly cannot afford it find California to be on the generous side with services and even income pilot programs.
Which is good...California can have all the vagrancy it has created and catered too...
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #563  
Absolutely!

You're right about public perception of nuclear. Environmentalists have won this propaganda war and it's been politically incorrect to advocate for nuclear. We've made the permitting and construction process almost impossible to overcome.

Intermittent "renewable" power sources simply can't be the answer.

There are almost 100 reactors operating in the US at over 50 generating plants. No one has ever heard of them really because they are incident-free. The nuclear industry is recognized as having a tremendous safety record, despite statements to the contrary.

Three Mile Island got sensationalized in the China Syndrome movie for a small release of steam but there was no external contamination. Design changes were made. Chernobyl was a flawed design that was well known prior to the incident. No reactors of that design are still operating in Europe and never existed in the US.

France was almost entirely nuclear. They were very innovative and nearly solved their waste-fuel disposal issue by "recycling" that waste through another reactor process. Despite their success and relatively cheap electric prices, they decided to go "green" and build wind turbines everywhere. Now they've found that it requires a tremendous land footprint and doesn't work as a primary energy source.

It's clear that our future lies in science and physics and power-on-demand solutions. The navy powers a nuclear aircraft carrier with a very few pounds of uranium -- generates all their power needs, travels constantly all over the world, desalinates water, supports ~5000 personnel, etc. And they have to "refuel" every 6-10 years. The same with nuclear submarines that stay submerged for months and can operate for years without refueling.

Anyone ever see a sci-fi movie where everything runs on wind turbine energy . . . ??
It's about the "powers that be" pin-pointing as to who is gonna get rich and taking advanage of whatever the current mania is be it mood stones, gadgets that spin or Cabbage patch dolls.
Now it's electric car with subsidies of up to $10,500 to buy one. Even then people think this is "free money" from the government, instead of their own money being inappropriately discharged. All this creates the possibility of a higher msrp from the manufacturer just as they did w solar.

If you wanted more certainty to get rich during the "gold fever" age, you didn't search for gold, you sold the picks and shovels and that's what's happening with turbines and solar fields. The outfits building these are the ones getting rich.
There are over 30 types of nuclear power plants. Two of which can run on spent waste of previous plants. We have enough nuclear waste to power this type of plant for 700 years.
Instead, the powers that be target this other "main stream" renewable energy source as what we will go with and force the issue by raising fuel prices unnecessarily.
"Follow the money"
How does one think so many of congress are millionaires at a $174,000 annual salary.
 
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Which is good...California can have all the vagrancy it has created and catered too...
West Coast does draw from everywhere.

A few years back a survey was done why live on the streets of California and the results revealed more than half came from cold climates such as Minnesota where you would die living on the streets in winter from exposure.

Believe it or not but a few even were given free bus tickets to take them to California...
 
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I’m waiting for the Mazda Skyactiv-x , compression ignition engine mated to a Hybrid system . I know Mazda and Toyota have teamed up on other vehicles. Why can’t they have the Mazda motor with the Toyota hybrid and transmission and get 100 mpg ?? We would all be happy and it would be a win win for everyone.
Just got a 2022 CX 5. With less than 10,000 miles on the odometer, it gets a measured 34-35 mpg at 40-50 mph. At highway speeds of 70-80, it drops down to 30 mpg.
This engine is the 2.5 liter and has 14 to 1 compression now. It still can use regular gasoline.
There are plans to develop with Toyota, to plop their current hybrid system in the new Mazda CX-50. If they continue with development of their Sky Ative x engine and as you say, combine those two elements, that's a win/win situation.
 
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Typically, it is not a question if not being available to afford but questioning the value of what they are paying for...
it's a middle class decline........which was once the heartbeat of America. But I'm pretty well convinced that there is a "grand design" here related to power and control.

Those that can't afford are essentially dependent on governments to supply their needs. They also don't have the skills, assets, and in many cases the will, to "reset" themselves in another environment. "This urban plantation" has grown disproportionately with the middle class. So large that supporting it has become a major cost factor undermining America's economical sustainability.

Back in the 1970's and maybe continuing into the 90's I used to be a proud citizen of my state........but in my ignorance and tending to my welfare and family, I hadn't noticed the political undermining in a steady slow progression. .....effectively changing my opinion about the integrity of those in charge serving the state as a whole. If I wasn't so old and deeply rooted I would move out of this state to those "greener pastures" as we once had. I have those pastures myself.

It's funny that many people started moving from California to Oregon in the 1950's-70's to escape the high cost of housing and overall cost of living. Thus this market came to Oregon and influenced costs here. Now it's regulations, taxes, compliance's, ....not quite California style yet, but heading there. Just like California a beautiful state ruined by politics. (just my opinion, of course, but I do have the age to confirm what allowed the best opportunities for a wider range of people)
 
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it's a middle class decline........which was once the heartbeat of America. But I'm pretty well convinced that there is a "grand design" here related to power and control.

Those that can't afford are essentially dependent on governments to supply their needs. They also don't have the skills, assets, and in many cases the will, to "reset" themselves in another environment. "This urban plantation" has grown disproportionately with the middle class. So large that supporting it has become a major cost factor undermining America's economical sustainability.

Back in the 1970's and maybe continuing into the 90's I used to be a proud citizen of my state........but in my ignorance and tending to my welfare and family, I hadn't noticed the political undermining in a steady slow progression. .....effectively changing my opinion about the integrity of those in charge serving the state as a whole. If I wasn't so old and deeply rooted I would move out of this state to those "greener pastures" as we once had. I have those pastures myself.

It's funny that many people started moving from California to Oregon in the 1950's-70's to escape the high cost of housing and overall cost of living. Thus this market came to Oregon and influenced costs here. Now it's regulations, taxes, compliance's, ....not quite California style yet, but heading there. Just like California a beautiful state ruined by politics. (just my opinion, of course, but I do have the age to confirm what allowed the best opportunities for a wider range of people)
Government doesn’t work together well enough to have a “grand design.” Each part wants to be autonomous.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #568  
It's funny that many people started moving from California to Oregon in the 1950's-70's to escape the high cost of housing and overall cost of living. Thus this market came to Oregon and influenced costs here. Now it's regulations, taxes, compliance's, ....not quite California style yet, but heading there. Just like California a beautiful state ruined by politics. (just my opinion, of course, but I do have the age to confirm what allowed the best opportunities for a wider range of people)
I lived in Washington state for a couple years in the 70s, and everyone griped about Californians even then. Not that Washington wasn't socialist enough by itself.
Government doesn’t work together well enough to have a “grand design.” Each part wants to be autonomous.
Probably for the best.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #569  
In many ways the 3 West Coast States are more similar than independent...

It will be a year in August since I have spent time in Oregon and WA...

EV was not a common sight in my travels North last year and fuel then was definitly less expensive outside CA...

EV cars are ubiquitous the SF Bay Area with one or more on every block including renters I know working with apartment owners installing charging outlets in apartment buildings.

Neighbors now have his and her EV ditching ICE.

One of the Doctors front office ladies needed a car and bought a Volt... she was not looking at Volt but was turned off by the high Honda prices she was seeing and leaving Honda saw the advertisement at Chevy across the street.

It's been 3 years with the Volt and she loves it...

She has experienced one problem and that is the 11 month old fuel went stale in her tank.

So now she makes it a point to tank at least once every other month to avoid a repeat...
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #570  
the 11 month old fuel went stale in her tank
That's the type of driver which they should be targetting. City dweller who doesn't drive much, so she can drive her EV and send the related problems to less populated areas... just the way it's been done since 1776.
 
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Do you believe it? And when do all the power plants shut down?
no I do not. USA Today has become a leftist rag. What they do not mention is was this usage sustained and for how long? It could have met the need for 5 minutes. It's stored how for night time use?
 
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I lived in Washington state for a couple years in the 70s, and everyone griped about Californians even then. Not that Washington wasn't socialist enough by itself.

Probably for the best.
I agree. The dis-unified nature of the US government is in itself a check and balance on the system.
 
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EV's are not all bad. And while they're a certain political side's wet dream and that tells me to dislike them, I don't.
  • First, this is modern america, where the bulk of households or even renters don't have the family car, but usually one car per person, at least. So you can still retain one ICE, while having an EV
  • Second, having an EV is not evil. If an EV is equally priced with an ICE, and as long as you drive less than 150 miles a day, chances are it's cheaper to commute with an EV
  • Third, I would say at least 80% of the workforce drives less than 150 miles a day, so you would be able to charge your car overnight, and have plenty of charge for the following day's commute, thus negating any fuel expense at all, and a marginal uptick in your electrical bill.
  • Forth, if you invest in a solar array, say 12-16kw, for $15-20k, it will pay for itself in 5 years(without incentives), thus eliminating the need for reliance on grid power. Add in some batteries and you'll eliminiate your need for a generator as well.
  • Fifth, gas prices are all over the place, who knows what's going to happen next. You most likely can't practically make your own gasoline, you completely rely on big oil combined with a functioning supply chain, combined with the government not actively conspiring against you.
This is not without it's down sides though.
  • EV's claiming 300 mile range provide those claims under optimal conditions. If you want heat or AC, basically cut that figure by a third. Any traffic at all? Even worse.
  • Batteries suffer from fast charges, so if you want to get the most from your battery, slow overnight charge is the best. Otherwise you're actively doing damage to your batteries.
  • Under the best conditions, batteries have a life of about 15 years and then they're completely dead. However, htey start degrading on day one. It's a progressive thing, so after 5 years your 300 mile claim may be 250 miles, after 10 years and maybe 200 miles, 15 years and probably down to 150. Cut those in half if you want real world figures.
  • Your resale value will be scrap prices, batteries are expensive. At and beyond 15 years your batteries will likely to see high failure rates, and if you're not willing to invest in a battery pack, your car is dead.
One more thing about a consumer society we live in today. My oldest tractor is 71 years old, if it was in an EV, it would have since long expired. My oldest car is a 29 year old f150, dead if it was an EV. My daughters car is 20 years old, dead in EV land.

I will buy an EV at some point. But it just can't be my only vehicle. I'm on the waiting list for a new hummer EV scheduled to take delivery in the fall of 2023. My current truck is has 250k miles on it, and rust is becoming a ***** to deal with being in the rust belt. I recently blew brake lines and had to have them all replaced, and it wasn't cheap. I also had a radiator blow to rust, again an annoying and expensive fix.

There's something to be said about new cars, or even slightly used cars that come with a warranty and generally don't come with high repair bills. When you need your truck for work and to make your living, you can't afford down time or costly repair bills.

The one thing that can't be denied is the simplicity of EV's, fewer moving parts means fewer things to fail. No stretched head, no head gaskets, no valve cover gaskets, no oil to change or brake pads, rotors, or calipers. Sure there's electronics and electronics can be costly to repair, but I have 30+ year old computers that run just fine, it's just a matter of finding vibration resistant soldier that can handle the temperatures they're subjected to.

Then there's the biggest challenge of EV's: electricity. We use it in our homes daily, all the time, and we rely on it for nearly everything. But in my parts, I lose power often. A day or two at a time, or 1-2 weeks during winter months is not uncommon. Where's my EV then? That's where solar comes in. I don't need to go somewhere every day, so even a non-battery solar system works for me so I have power during hte day to live and charge an EV for hte days that I need it. Eventually I'll get batteries, but the fact that I'm overproducing during production hours I'll suck every watt from them that I can during a power outage. Owning an EV without a solar array, that's one thing I can't get behind.
Lota if good points. BUT unless you are willing to circumvent your power company's requirements, you do not get any power from solar array when you have a grid tied system and the power goes down. One company has a 110v 15 amp single allowed size you can charge your phones..would tbot do much for your car though.
 
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... One company has a 110v 15 amp single allowed size you can charge your phones..would tbot do much for your car though.
Lots of EV owners charge overnight at home from a 15 amp outlet. Possibly a large proportion of those with 2 or more cars and the EV designated for local use.

I think it is Tesla that says their 110 v cable adds some 60 miles of charge overnight. Chevy Bolt and other lighter cars, likely a little more.

110v charging is here, its real.
 
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Add Tesla Power Wall...

Looking out the window and neighbor with two EV also had two Power walls and rooftop solar

He says 72 hours without grid power no problem including charging.

If course the next step is to make the EV a back up repository of household power...
 
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Lota if good points. BUT unless you are willing to circumvent your power company's requirements, you do not get any power from solar array when you have a grid tied system and the power goes down. One company has a 110v 15 amp single allowed size you can charge your phones..would tbot do much for your car though.
I've never heard that but it makes sense to a degree, to prevent backfeeding the neighborhood and frying your system. However, if the system detects no grid power, it should disconnect, and continue to power your house from solar or batteries. There's a special sine wave inverter that will detect the grid's wave and generate power to match it. Maybe because it has nothing to match, it doesn't match anything at all. If that's the case, it would be the fault of the inverter design. But when grid came back, it couldn't just match the new wave. But I have UPS's that do just that. But they're online UPS's, which means htey don't pass electric to the servers, they condition it first. So maybe a massive UPS that conditions power would be in order for the whole house. Much to think about on that one.
 
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Friend in south Alabama has a solar array/batteries and just bought a Tesla 3. He is self sufficient for about 48 hours and charges his car with the excess day light. He says that it will never pay for itself, but he is using the sun and has a hobby!

Green energy will never work until we embrace nuclear power generation and invent a simple storage system.

The politicians do not need a reset, we have the ballot box, it is the lobbyists who are driving the stupidity. Just heard they are contemplating fazing out gas ranges.
 
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