Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

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   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #241  
If you are buying or considering buying a EV because the current administration is putting a stranglehold on the gas and oil industry you are making a bad decision. as soon as the administration changes the policies and politics will change again and the 200+ year supply of oil under North America will start flowing again. change will drive innovation in both industries, but for now, EVs are every bit as bad for the environment as gas cars over their entire lifetime.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #242  
The Bolt has a range of 259 miles on a FULL charge. So real life, 200 miles.

On a standard charger, it adds 25 miles of range per hour.

For a small vehicle, that isn’t attractive.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #243  
I would not buy a EV. Been there and done that. Had a Ford Fusion Engi plug in elect for 7 years. 35 miles with no air in summer 32 with no heat in winter. 10 year warranty on battery but what I understand for Ford to made a replacement battery available you had to give up your first born. True they have gotten better but even at a 100 or 200 mile range you better take a 2K gen with you to recharge or never leave the city limits. EV have a long ways to go to beat out the ICE. That is my 2 cents worth after owning one for a few years.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #244  
I’m not a big fan of the idea but with the tax credits combined with the high and rising fuel prices I might consider one.
Progress is what you have described on EV vehicles entering market . Keep in mind no standards have been set on charging rather they all have their own charging stations. Too early too expensive to jump in to EV. Why the lack of infrastructure until charging stations are a plentiful across the globe. You are left to seek out stations and some cases you will wait for a charging station to free up. Also stand back and understand if we all plugged our ev to charge at home it’s like running another AC unit at your house. Today’s grid system cannot sustain it self Currently today without brown outs somewhere. Add EV’s a plenty we will have more issues. Right now EV is novel item for those who can afford them. It’s perceived as cost savings by those who set the narrative.Keep driving what you own times always change as we have seen throughout history.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #245  
With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.
What is the value of a well maintained heavy duty pick-up that's 10 years old? These are actually going up in value.
What is the value of a well maintained EV that's 10 years old? Pretty much zero. People do not want to face replacing that battery.
Right now I have to pay a "fee" because my used motor oil and tires are recycled. What will be the "fee" for recycling an old EV battery? It will be steep. The government will see it as a source of income and people who replace their battery will be forced to pay it. But all that is 'for their own good' 'ya know.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #246  
Nope....Pretty much a skeptic here.... The electrical thing about clean vehicles and energy is just a bubble, like what has happened in the past, like Housing, and internet, and a turkey in every oven on Thanksgiving bubbles... Follow the money (bubble).... Climate change, man probably can not do much about it as Mother Nature is in control....

And then there is issue of cost of replacement batteries a few years down the road, and environmental hazards for disposing of defective batteries,,, And let's not forget all the pollution and environmental hazards causes by the mining/extraction of exotic materials to create the batteries...
As well as the lack of an electrical grid that will support charging all of these vehicles.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #247  
if you think Ev's are going to replace cars and trucks in 6-8 years, i think your off by about 20.... not everyone can afford 50k vehicles, nor are the gas company going to wave a white flag and say guess were done stick a fork in us.

buy what works for you today. you may be dead tomorrow.

this applies to literally anything
Can’t imagine being out in the back 40 and my battery needs recharging.
I don’t have extension cords that long!!
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #248  
With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.
I'd buy a toyota prius ,maybe a toyota hybrid truck after all my 4 vehicles are worn out.did you know your leaders both told you to buy electric and they have not put out any chargers for them.we are gonna have black outs this year because of their energy policies.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #249  
Just seeing this thread now. I likely would consider an EV for my wife's next car (local miles only). However her ICE only has 25K miles on it and I only buy vehicles when I need to, so it does not pencil out. If her car had a lot of miles it would be a different story. I cannot wrap my head around an EV truck since we do trips with the camper on it.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #250  
We love our Model 3 Tesla, bought in 2018. We've made many trips from SF Bay area to San Juan Islands in WA (~1000 miles), and the Tesla is quiet, economical and quick. The auto-follow cruise control and automatic lane following makes the really boring sections of I5 (south of Portland and Central Valley) less tedious. Maintenance so far has involved changing the wiper blades and rotating the tires; we have just under 40K miles on it. Driven miles are less that we expected - due to the pandemic, of course. This year I need to replace the tires. check brake fluid moisture content and put in new cabin filters (somewhat overdue). Since we live on a small (15 miles long) island, I've not even bothered to put in a 240 volt outlet as our local driving is easily handled with a 120V outlet; we generally don't make frequent trips off-island due to the expense and hassle of dealing with ferries - particularly in the summer.

We also have a 1996 F250 4x4 diesel, bought new and with about 250K miles on the clock. I will maintain that as long as possible; we use it to tow and move large amounts of stuff; it sees a few thousand miles a year. When it finally goes, I'll likely get an electric truck as it will do what I need.

Our tractor is an ancient Kubota, and since it does what I need, it will stay that way; if I needed a bigger tractor in the future I'd certainly consider an electric one.

For new vehicles and new houses, electric is clearly the future. Older vehicles will remain useful and in use, much as the Stanley steamers ran for years after production stopped. Houses will have furnaces replaced with heat pumps in the fullness of time; gas stoves will be replaced with induction ones.

Denying that change is happening is silly. You can choose where in the wave of change you ride, depending on your own needs and requirements. You may choose to surf towards the front of the wave, as we did with the Tesla, or ride in the quiet water at the back of the wave. After all, our 26' motor boat has a wood-burning steam power plant - not because that's "better", but because I enjoy it. The technology there is about 150 years old.

- Bart
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #251  
Zero percent chance I’d even consider an electric car or truck. Watched a video not too long ago from a guy who blew up his car rather than pay the $20K+ it was gonna cost to replace the battery. It just doesn’t make sense to go that route for me. How could I pull up to the deer lease and ask “hey can I plug my electric F150 in and run your electric bill up tonight?”
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #252  
Having been to Europe a few times, I think these are very different worlds than the USA. In other words they are entirely different environments. Folks that are dead set on pure EV conversion, are using Europe as a model. When I look at a map of England or France for instance, I have to remind my self that the scale of the map is much smaller than most maps of the USA.
It seems that this point is often overlooked. I would say that Rural folks and those who just want an outing to a landscape other than urban streets and suburban neighborhoods might resent this comparison to Europe if it means limitations on their freedoms to explore the vast spaces of their country. We should be an exception to hoaxes like the "green new deal"......lets be clear that's exactly what this is. Sometimes giving up traditional values is not so attractive when it compromises freedom. Once its gone it's hard to get it back......
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #253  
Can’t imagine being out in the back 40 and my battery needs recharging.
I don’t have extension cords that long!!
You can extend them by plugging one into another. Let's see, 200 feet x 40 is 8000 feet. If you buy 100 foot cables, that is only 80. At $50, it is only an investment of $400. Oh, wait, power loss. OK, we need to run about 4 parallel power paths. OK, 320 power cords. That is only $1600. You will have to make a "redneck power adapter" so you can plug all 4 runs into a converter. Wait, there is one big problem. Since inductive and capacitive reactance can cause cycle variations, it may blow up or start a fire.

OK, just having a little fun. While EVs may not be as impractical as I see them currently, I think a lot of innovation is required before we find a problem for this "solution".
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #254  
With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.
Absolutely,
I own a long range Tesla model 3. I charge it at home. I get 300 miles per charge.

At current gas and electric prices, I calculate the Tesla fuel costs per mile to be about 15% of what my Diesel F350 or gas Ridgeline run. The Tesla is insanely fast, great handling, almost no maintenance, and very comfortable. Not to mention the incredible AI and self driving features it boasts.

Having said that, I would prefer an EV truck, so I plan to eventually trade it in on a Lightning or Cybertruck, if nothing better comes along.

Also, humans are responsible for the current pace of climate change and i believe it is our duty to do what we can to preserve the planet for our descendants and all the other creatures in our world. Clean energy is the right future.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #255  
If you’re still using you 15 year old, cordless drill (heck, a 2-3 year old cordless is almost obsolete!) I’d say go for an EV…

ICE will go the way of “whale oil” lamps… but not by way of government fiat… a currently unknown/undiscovered power source will provide the path…

I can’t afford to be a lab rat for some “bridge” technology between now and then…

on another web board I belong to one member proudly announced the current fuel price spike didn’t concern him… he had solar panels and a Nissan Leaf… everyone knows a solar panel install (along with the battery bank and the home charging station) are “free” energy… (my guess is: he’ll still be paying for that system far beyond this current fuel price spike)
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #256  
With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.
I don’t think the electric grids would be able to handle a massive increase in EVs. They talk about blackouts and brown outs in different areas now. Imagine if we all plugged in our WVs at the same time
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #257  
I’m not a big fan of the idea but with the tax credits combined with the high and rising fuel prices I might consider one.
That's what they are counting on. That is the real reason for high gas prices. Be careful.....we do not have the means to produce enough electricity. We'll see blackouts this summer. The prices of electricity will go up dramatically to fund new sources and force people to use less. I've got no problem with EV's....just see the dangers of moving into it too quickly.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #258  
If shopping it would be something to consider but I'm well stocked with internal combustion vehicles at this point.

6% of market is electric and growing...

I think higher in Bay Area because you can't come to an intersection and not encounter at least one electric vehicle ..

I have several neighbors with them and they also have large solar installs so charge mostly with solar.
My questions concerning electric vehicles are; 1. what will doubling the current electric grid cost to distribute the additional electric load to tens of thousands of e-vehicles. My guess is 3 to 4 times what the existing grid cost. New power lines will be needed everywhere. 2. Where will the electric energy come from? As a newbie civil engineer 50 years ago I assisted with foundation engineering at 5 nuclear power plants just in the mid-west. They all have been, or are under review for decommissioning. 3. I also worked at one of the last "grass roots oil refinery constructed near Joliet, IL. Older refineries are also being shut down like nuke plants due to "environmental concerns". 4. Another small problem will be how to dispose of fiberglass wind turbine blades. These blades (up to 400 feet long) will need to be buried in landfills - recycling is not an option. These are only a few of the "free wind energy" issues that need to be discussed and solved before implementing a flawed system like California had that burned large communities to the ground last year. Dan C.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #259  
When the government gives up Air Force 1 and all the limousines and SUV's and go electric...that's when I'll consider it
Sorry to burst your bubble, but as long as we have a president we will never "give up" Air Force 1. Regardless of the fuel used, any aircraft becomes Air Force 1 when the president steps on board. If he takes a ride on the Good Year Blimp, it's Air Force 1 while he is on board. Air Force 1 has nothing to do with going green, climate change, or the EV vs ICE debate if that is the point you were trying to make.
 
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