Beware: kioti backhoe HORRIBLE departure angle ck2610 kb2475l

[Root Cause]

If you cut it, you own it. There is something amiss. Either they installed some wrong parts or inverted something. The center post angle is proof enough to say something is wrong.

A vague complaint may fall on deaf ears so I would find the manuf. spec for clearance. Call direct or go to their website and find it. Then measure the difference.
While at it, I would get the part numbers to all the critical parts to verify what's what.
I wouldn't just settle for something not useable.


If it is significantly different, then you have hard proof and it will be difficult not to agree.

 

[erikjohn67]

Definitely sounds frustrating but why don’t you just back it onto the trailer?

 

[LittleBill21]

Definitely sounds frustrating but why don’t you just back it onto the trailer?

he will have the same issue, forward or back, unless his ramps can get to the tires before he hits the trailer

 

[orangetree]

I’ve never liked the Kioti backhoe subframe. It’s a clumsy design to save 5 minutes work to remove the 3 point arms IMO. Even having to remove the arms Kubota probably still wins in total hookup time because it drops straight on the back vs having to align the frame under the front of the tractor. Also my Kubota backhoe still scraped going on or off my trailer. Sticking the hoe a foot farther back is only going to make that worse.

yeah, i looked at both; I may have been pushed to the Kubota had I realized this exit angle, but in all the other respects the kioti system is fine / has it's advantages:

• faster to install/remove (no doubt it could be done faster than the 20 min this guy took
  , but it's still multiple bolts & pins to re-attach the arms. The connection to the subframe itself, though, is very nice on the kubota
• stronger: while the subframe does reduce clearance under the frame on the kioti, it also spreads the BH load from being born by the frame. I have no idea if that matters - but I have seen enough TBN comments saying you can break a small CUT with over agressive BH use ... Does it actually matter? I can't say for sure.

 

[orangetree]

The root cause, I think I agree, is this:

Looks like an oversized backhoe retro-fitted onto a smaller tractor.

and suspiciously absent from the KB2475l manual itself is the smallest model ck2610:

 

[orangetree]

Definitely sounds frustrating but why don’t you just back it onto the trailer?

this is _fully_ impossible, unfortunately (first thing i tried).

The frame of the backhoe / stabilizer arms is nearly as wide as the track, and only slightly front & up from the kingpin - eg maybe a foot off the ground, and 4' aft of the axles. It physically impacts the rams well before the back wheels reach the ramps.

 

[orangetree]

If it were mine I would cut off that upper tubing bolted to the hoe flush with the bottom tubing. Raise the hoe up and set it back a foot and weld it back together. You would have to remove the 3pt but that would get you closer to the tractor and higher off the ground.

If you cut it, you own it. There is something amiss. Either they installed some wrong parts or inverted something. The center post angle is proof enough to say something is wrong.

Yeah, the design actually looks pretty straightforward to do a mod like this ... begs the question why it wasn't done like this with a different subframe. I don't even think you'd need to remove the links if you just added a few inches. But no way to do this in warranty, for sure.

 

[California]

The root cause, I think I agree, is this:

and suspiciously absent from the KB2475l manual itself is the smallest model ck2610:

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I see angle of departure ('K' in the diagram) listed as 21 degrees in that manual. What is the actual on this tractor?

 

[orangetree]

I see angle of departure ('K' in the diagram) listed as 21 degrees in that manual. What is the actual on this tractor?

Around 10 degrees

 

[deezler]

Yeah it is certainly a somewhat ridiculous backhoe/subframe design. A full 6-8" longer than needed, and for what, exactly? To not remove the 3-pt arms? Shoot, even leaving the 3-pt arms on, you could slide the backhoe 6" towards the tractor. I had the same thought to cut, shorten it, and re-weld with sleeved tubing.

The backhoe is quite heavy, just about a thousand pounds. It does kinda suck having it lever on the tractor way back there. But it sure makes a reliable counterweight for loader work!

That said, mine drives on an off of my 20' car hauler trailer just fine. My deck height is low and ramp angle pretty shallow. I've only done it once, though.