Which 3rd function to many conflicting results

[skindaddy]

I think we are about to close the deal on a L2501 with a likely Ansung backhoe this week ( most reviews seem good for bh and save 2k over bh77 idk)

and want a 3rd function haven't been keeping up here in a long time, it used to be aftermarket was better than Kubota.
Now It seems 50/50 for Kubota ( steel lines) or land pride?
Yes back thought there was one by something iron idk.
I guess biggest thing is I don't care just want to function the best. For some brand of grapple which I still need choose that too. Looking like land pride for that right now.

 

[Have tractor did travel]

Skin - I believe the L2501 does not come with the frame brace for four point connection of the back hoe - UNLESS you get the back hoe. It seems to be well recognized by manufacturers, that a 3 point back hoe should not be put on a tractor, for risk of breaking the frame. Is the plumbing for the Ansung well incorporated in the L2501 ?
Two grand difference strikes me as inconsequential, to get the package all put together by the manufacturer.
Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[skindaddy]

No both the backhoes bh77 and Ansung are subframe mounted we have a b7800 with the three point now and won't do that again

 

[number two]

W.R. Long makes very popular 3rd function kits as well.
Good Luck!

 

[Cataclysm]

W.R. Long 3rd function and Everything Attachments grapple.
Call Travis at EA, he will get you fixed up.

 

[LD1]

The aftermarket (even subframe) hoes kill the resale value IMO. And if you ever do have issues with the tractor its too easy for kubota to point the finger elsewhere. IMO, the $2k extra for the hoe that kubota matches and specs for the machine is worth it.

As to the 3rd....functionally they will both be the same, They will both open and close a grapple, or angle a snowplow just the same. The most important part is ergonomics. Mount the switch or a lever where it is comfortable to operate

 

[m1garand762]

The aftermarket (even subframe) hoes kill the resale value IMO. And if you ever do have issues with the tractor its too easy for kubota to point the finger elsewhere. IMO, the $2k extra for the hoe that kubota matches and specs for the machine is worth it.

As to the 3rd....functionally they will both be the same, They will both open and close a grapple, or angle a snowplow just the same. The most important part is ergonomics. Mount the switch or a lever where it is comfortable to operate

Get the by 77 don’t be a cheapskate the aftermarket will kill resale and the bh77 is made for your machine by the manufacturer of your machine

 

[ovrszd]

Skin - I believe the L2501 does not come with the frame brace for four point connection of the back hoe - UNLESS you get the back hoe. It seems to be well recognized by manufacturers, that a 3 point back hoe should not be put on a tractor, for risk of breaking the frame. Is the plumbing for the Ansung well incorporated in the L2501 ?
Two grand difference strikes me as inconsequential, to get the package all put together by the manufacturer.
Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.

And I'd have the same thoughts concerning 3rd function. In the total cost of the machine the difference between an aftermarket hoe versus Kubota and an aftermarket 3rd function versus Kubota is insignificant.

 

[nybirdman]

Make sure it's a true third function and not a diveter type .Again go with Kubota's.

 

[kenmac]

I don't know the price now but a couple yrs ago my kubota 3rd function was around $1200.00 installed

 

[rScotty]

I don't know the price now but a couple yrs ago my kubota 3rd function was around $1200.00 installed

That sounds about ballpark right. It really ought to be $300, but they've figured out how to make it four times as profitable. It's interesting that a few years ago - back when tractors were made more user friendly - almost all FELs used a simple universal type of type of directional control valve assembly. Most of those control valves assemblies had a a "PB" or Power Beyond" port which could be hooked up to provide flow to a second set of contol valves. That's all it took for addtional functions. As many as wanted cost no more than some hoses and valves.

I'm sure that the process today is basically the same. Hydraulic technology hasn't changed. And yet it has been made more difficult because the valve bodies aren't universal anymore. The hookup details are different and brand specific. I was looking at my Kubota FEL control valve and realized I don't have not the slightest idea where to start to put on more controls.

rScotty

 

[kenmac]

That sounds about ballpark right. It really ought to be $300, but they've figured out how to make it four times as profitable. It's interesting that a few years ago - back when tractors were made more user friendly - almost all FELs used a simple universal type of type of directional control valve assembly. Most of those control valves assemblies had a a "PB" or Power Beyond" port which could be hooked up to provide flow to a second set of contol valves. That's all it took for addtional functions. As many as wanted cost no more than some hoses and valves.

My 3rd function gets flow from PB port on the loader valve.
On that 3110 I owned. I used PB off the loader and fed a prince valve for the grapple.
I just decided to go with the elect. over hyd 3rd function on the kubota

 

[Smokeydog]

I bought Kubota 3rd function kits for both B26 and M59. $800-900ea. Both large boxes of pre-bent steel lines, hoses, valves, fittings, wiring, control handles and valve shrouds. M59 valves and lines much bigger. Was going to install myself but when talking with the dealer about full service parts for the M59 their winter special shop rate was much cheaper than I could do myself. Needed B26 rear tire ballast too. They installed 3rd function $100ea. Nice clean routing and flawless function for years. Vote Kubota kit for 3rd function.

 

[ovrszd]

I'm sure that the process today is basically the same. Hydraulic technology hasn't changed. And yet it has been made more difficult because the valve bodies aren't universal anymore. The hookup details are different and brand specific. I was looking at my Kubota FEL control valve and realized I don't have not the slightest idea where to start to put on more controls.

rScotty

The fact that you can't figure out the PB port doesn't necessarily mean the valve body is at fault.

 

[skindaddy]

Thanks for the thoughts and info guys, not sure which way we are going with the b.h , there's a couple family members involved as we all will be using like are old tractor

 

[Smokeydog]

Small tractor mounted backhoes are ridiculous expensive and considerably more unsafe compared to larger backhoes. Really had to watch my feet not to get pinched with the outriggers. Most don’t have a rotating seat or good means to climb up and down with muddy shoes. If you can’t reach the swing controls from the driver’s seat on my high side farm you will roll over. My Dad could use my Ford 4500 digging stumps or cleaning ponds. He Bought a L3830 with frame mount backhoe. Used it
My M59 didn’t come with a backhoe, landscape model. Looked for two years before finding one 500 miles away. 12’ with thumb, BT1200 little use for $5,000. Same used equipment seller had a couple of used Woods and Kubota- 8’ backhoes for $8,000 for ag models. Of course the smaller ones could possibly fit more different tractors.

 

[kenmac]

I bought Kubota 3rd function kits for both B26 and M59. $800-900ea. Both large boxes of pre-bent steel lines, hoses, valves, fittings, wiring, control handles and valve shrouds. M59 valves and lines much bigger. Was going to install myself but when talking with the dealer about full service parts for the M59 their winter special shop rate was much cheaper than I could do myself. Needed B26 rear tire ballast too. They installed 3rd function $100ea. Nice clean routing and flawless function for years. Vote Kubota kit for 3rd function.

My kubota kit Didn't come with pre bent lines for my mx5100. Just hoses

 

[bdhsfz6]

FWIW, the dealer installed a W&R Long 3rd function valve on my 2018 MX5800. He claims for the same price, it's a slightly better product than the Kubota Land Pride.

He installed the W&R Long valve on my 2020 L6060 for the same reason.

I'm sure others will disagree here and I haven't had any experience with the Land Pride valve. All I can say is, I went with the dealers suggestion and haven't had any problems.

 

[skindaddy]

I seen a pic in here with the steel lines in the Kubota kit, now I wasted two hrs looking again and cannot find to show dad wth.

Another question wicked grapple from ea or dealer sells terra force ycg060
Guessing it really don't matter all gonna be real close