Fuel prices around the world.

[Hay Dude]

For once can you cut the politics? It’s simply good that we don’t pollute our water and soil with toxic waste in our own country. That’s a huge win for a cleaner environment and public health in America. We no longer have to accept those toxins in our country; we are rich and technically advanced enough to have cleaner options. Let the third world pollute their soil and water if they want to.

Theres nothing political in my post. I think you and your environmentalist gang like to cry “politics” when someone stands up to you, though.

 

[triptester]

The cost to produce a barrel of oil at the well head has changed little week to week or even year to year. When the price per barrel goes up profits soar.
With all these so-called shortages investors profits keep growing at a faster than normal rate.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

My brother still runs our family dairy... between fuel, pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer prices... his costs are up 100-300% this year.

I get the feeling that some people are walking around thinking none of this will have any real lasting effects. Fat, dumb, and happy as my father would say. The consumer is being hit from all sides, with no real relief in sight. The only relief will come from increasing rates and trying to slow the inflation freight train... which in and of itself has negative consequences.

We are very fortunate. An extra few hundred per month for necessities is an annoyance for us. Sadly, for many of our fellow citizens, they never had that money to begin with. It’s not very compassionate to say, well, we will just have to install solar panels and get you an electric car. With what?

 

[jyoutz]

Um no. We never have and never will stop sticking our noses in other countries affairs.
We HAVE significantly decreased decreased pollution in this country. We have done a LOT.

The objective of environmentalists is 2 fold. Decrease greenhouse gasses/pollution through destruction of any fossil fuel devices.
It wont end with elimination of coal and switching to NG…..
Once thats done, they will want NG eliminated, just like coal.

Rant on. I’m very happy that coal use in America is going **** up. Extremely damaging to the land in mining and coal plant toxins. An archaic way to generate power. Time moves on, things change, society advances. My coal miner grandfather who died from lung disease would have been the first to welcome the end of coal. None of those mine site lands are ever worth anything after that are “rehabbed” and the soil around the power plants is poisoned with mercury for centuries to come.

 

[Hay Dude]

My brother still runs our family dairy... between fuel, pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer prices... his costs are up 100-300% this year.

I get the feeling that some people are walking around thinking none of this will have any real lasting effects. Fat, dumb, and happy as my father would say. The consumer is being hit from all sides, with no real relief in sight. The only relief will come from increasing rates and trying to slow the inflation freight train... which in and of itself has negative consequences.

We are very fortunate. An extra few hundred per month for necessities is an annoyance for us. Sadly, for many of our fellow citizens, they never had that money to begin with. It’s not very compassionate to say, well, we will just have to install solar panels and get you an electric car. With what?

Very well stated

 

[jyoutz]

Theres nothing political in my post. I think you and your environmentalist gang like to cry “politics” when someone stands up to you, though.

Environmentalist gang? No I’m a practical land manager, a professional forester who produces a renewable product (wood). I do know enough about ecology to realize that polluting our soil and water isn’t sustainable long term. Foresters are trained to think long term. Most people don’t care about the future. I do.

 

[Hay Dude]

Rant on. I’m very happy that coal use in America is going **** up. Extremely damaging to the land in mining and coal plant toxins. An archaic way to generate power. Time moves on, things change, society advances. My coal miner grandfather who died from lung disease would have been the first to welcome the end of coal. None of those mine site lands are ever worth anything after that are “rehabbed” and the soil around the power plants is poisoned with mercury for centuries to come.

Its not rant, its reason.
Hey if coal goes by the wayside, dont have a problem as long as the workers have relief and retraining and better opportunities.
But you know as well as I do, that this isn't about coal per say, its about the elimination of ALL fossil fuels. Even Nukes are off limits to the environmentalists.
Im a long term thinker as a farmer. I am pretty much organic now and have been for years. I am all for clean air, ground an water as long as we dont drive ourselves all into the poverty ditch doing it.

 

[Jstpssng]

My brother still runs our family dairy... between fuel, pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer prices... his costs are up 100-300% this year.

I get the feeling that some people are walking around thinking none of this will have any real lasting effects. Fat, dumb, and happy as my father would say. The consumer is being hit from all sides, with no real relief in sight. The only relief will come from increasing rates and trying to slow the inflation freight train... which in and of itself has negative consequences.

We are very fortunate. An extra few hundred per month for necessities is an annoyance for us. Sadly, for many of our fellow citizens, they never had that money to begin with. It’s not very compassionate to say, well, we will just have to install solar panels and get you an electric car. With what?

A lot of people don't seem to understand... this country runs on diesel. From seed to harvest tractors do the work. Then it's hauled to the mill or distribution center on diesel trucks. From there diesel is involved in every step to bring it to the grocery store shelves.
Warren Buffett is apparently investing in trains yet there's a reason why that stopped working years ago. Besides, the locomotive will run on... diesel.

 

[Jstpssng]

Im a long term thinker as a farmer. I am pretty much organic now and have been for years. I am all for clean air, ground an water as long as we dont drive ourselves all into the poverty ditch doing it.

Amen! I've even been interested in EVs since long before they became the latest fad... I just don't believe that we should be exporting our pollution to China just so that we can have "clean" fuel. Mine the lithium here, where we can (theoretically, at least) control how the waste product is handled.

 

[jyoutz]

A lot of people don't seem to understand... this country runs on diesel. From seed to harvest tractors do the work. Then it's hauled to the mill or distribution center on diesel trucks. From there diesel is involved in every step to bring it to the grocery store shelves.
Warren Buffett is apparently investing in trains yet there's a reason why that stopped working years ago. Besides, the locomotive will run on... diesel.

Yep. And the US is the largest petroleum producing country in the world. Sad that Congress authorized US oil companies to export this resource to maximize their financial gain. Much of this resource comes from public lands owned by all Americans and yet oil companies are exporting it.

 

[ultrarunner]

San Francisco has and closed a

Nobody has banned NG for electrical power generation.

Gas fired peaker plant after more than a hundred years.

The last approved gas plant is a replacement for Glendale California...

The media reports it is the last permitted build.

Some stats for 2018

2018 Total System Electric Generation

www.energy.ca.gov

 

[Hay Dude]

Also CA will ban all fossil fuel vehicles by ‘35. Combine that with the ban on home NG hookups and it looks like fossil fuels, ALL fossil fuels, are going to be banned.

 

[5030]

Or having government drill for oil?

Knowing the government, every hole would be a dry hole....lol

 

[ultrarunner]

Environmentalist gang? No I’m a practical land manager, a professional forester who produces a renewable product (wood). I do know enough about ecology to realize that polluting our soil and water isn’t sustainable long term. Foresters are trained to think long term. Most people don’t care about the future. I do.

What I don't understand is timber is one of our great natural resources and renewable.

Hundreds of thousands of acres burn every year yet using the most up to date EPA certified wood burner continues to be banned here... we even have billboards listing special phone numbers to report suspected wood burners and a dedicated enforcement team to investigate and cite...

As I write my friends in Europe are very glad they have the option to use their masonry wood fired ovens in times like now yet we are on a course of sole electric dependant or so it seems and hydro isn't getting a pass...

 

[5030]

Californians resigned as gasoline prices spike

Californians filling up their cars on Friday winced at the spiraling cost of gasoline, but largely shrugged as residents of the state that has long had the highest gas prices in the United States.

news.yahoo.com

I suspect that as the whining reaches an unheard of level, never heard before, something will 'give'.

Do know one thing and that is, owners of guzzlers like full sized pickup trucks (gas or diesel) and land yacht SUV's that the automaker build today are getting a lesson in wallet sucking finance.

Kalifornia has always had high motor fuel costs, most of it attributable to their state's pollution regulations.

I suspect 'Detroit automakers are in for a profit bust this year.

 

[5030]

We heat our home primarily with bio mass and have for years. I have propane as a backup but biomass primary and my primary biomass fuel is pelletized wood, mostly made from culled timber unsuitable for other end use or Forrest slash processed into pelletized biomass. My secondary fuel mix is off grade non marketable seed corn that would otherwise wind up in a landfill.

My biomass furnace is around 90% efficient and the particulates emitted (smoke) is almost nil. In fact, most time you can smell it (if the wind is right) but you'll rarely see any smoke at all. Most particulate emission happen at startup when the furnace is cold and the secondary burn isn't happening. Once the firebox gets to temperature, it does an under fire over fire secondary burn and eliminates 90% of the visible particulates.

Been heating with biomass for about 20 years now.

 

[ultrarunner]

Seen it before when SUVs were being repo'd in droves.

Those that need trucks for commerce will continue but picking the kids up from school or grocery getting???

The $200 fill up is already here and every vendor I do business with for the hospital is adding fuel surcharges...

Don't forget fuel is the backbone of air travel too...

I wouldn't be opposed to an electric in the household but with 40 mpg Corolla already and another 33 mpg Toyota it just doesn't pencil out.

I imagine my gifted 12 mpg Range Rover will see even less road time than the 2,000 miles it saw last year but the all wheel drive and weight it is still my best tow vehicle...

 

[LittleBill21]

diesel is 4.99 as of yesterday here, and 4.22 for gas. Rving is going to suck this year. Time to get the motorcycle out, upwards of 60 on it

 

[ultrarunner]

$7 gas is already here...

$7 Gas in SoCal? Lines Are Long at Arcadia Sam's Club for ‘Bargain' $4.29

Gas prices spiked more than 13 cents in one day overnight — the largest one day hike since 2015. Pumps near the Beverly Center offer $6.65 for regular and more than $7 for premium.

www.nbclosangeles.com

 

[Hay Dude]

This is now a “crisis” For a majority of the population.
Like I said before. This is going to hurt, but huge changes are coming. I think the cavalry is getting saddled up. People wont stand for this. Even for a few months.