Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Hay Dude]

Since that has been the case for the past 30 years why do you think we are going to stop making China rich all of a sudden when they are financing our living high on the hogs they feed out locally.

Are we going to band all the Walmarts in the United states?

Watching you trying to push the EV log chain uphill is humorous.

There is no reason to mandate EVS because the financially astute will move to ev's when it makes financial sense for their needs.

OPEC supporters will root for ICEVs until the last ICE OEM folds and cry every holiday because their yard is full of EVs.

Look Gale, trying to put words in my mouth isnt the way to go. I just showed you CA is cutting off the sale of ICEV in about a decade. That alone will cut the sales of ICEV down 10-15% just based on population statistics (CA is 10-15% of US population). That pretty much signals the end, as states that want to be like CA will likely follow.
When you say theres no reason to mandate, be sure to remember, it already IS mandated with CA forcing the end of the sale of ICEVs.
I’m all for markets determining whats better.
But you know putting an end to a competitors production isnt a mandate to buy EVs, its a mandate to destroy the competition. Which at the end of the day, is the same thing.

You are correct that China has been spoon feeding us everything we need for quite some time. With the probable end of American GM and Ford jobs building cars and all the support systems that exist around the ICEV, we are possibly putting the final nails in the coffin of the American experiment. We will lose our independence. There will be little industrial production left, but a few token industries. Chinese built or cars with majority Chinese parts will become the norm here.

If you view that as a “win” or “progress”, then you and I view the world quite differently.
I’d rather see a market based competition with NO mandates to see what the people chose, not one small group of people who may or may not have this countries best interests in mind.

 

[sd455dan]

Wow, folks throw everything they can against the wall to discredit EVs.

If you don't like EVs, don't buy one.
But don't get mad at the (many) people who are buying EVs

If there are so many obstacles and shortcomings, then EV manufacturers will fail,
But don't be mad that major auto makers are investing in the EV future.

If you don't like advances in technology, then cling to the past,
But don't get upset if you are left behind by those who adapt.

If you don't think there will be solutions to current EV shortcomings, then go ahead and be smug,
But maybe practice being humble when the future proves you wrong.


I'll say it again. People aren't upset because they think EVs might happen, but because they know EVs will happen.

But I hope the law writers don't outlaw Classic/antique vehicles with a motor law that bans all ICE engines. I am for electric and still plan on purchasing either a range extended car like a Volt or a fully electric SUV when they become more available, but don't want to be mandated that I have to give up my dino fueled muscle cars or even my Cummins powered truck.
There is something to be said for a lumpy idling cammed Big block V8 engine or even the sound of the straight six oil burner pulling a 14klb trailer up a big hill... Or being pinned in the seat while getting to 60 in total silence in an electric vehicle

Variety is the Spice of Life I just hope we can have both electric and ICE

I do not want to see ICE vehicles legislated out of existence.

 

[Snobdds]

Huh? One 9 hr camp mode does not use the whole battery. What are u missing?

I think your missing how camp mode works, coupled with the best case seceniro at every turn for your little hot take to be correct.

If a battery is only charged to 80%, and the battery shuts down camp mode at 20%...you have 60% of usable battery, in the cold, to get you through a scenario that lasted more than the car was designed to handle.

I don't think I missed a thing...

 

[PuffyC]

"Green" is not about the environment but upending free market capitalism. "Free markets can not price the 'environmental impact' of evil carbon so we must enact totalitarian centralized government economic controls!"

Some would argue that free market capitalism was already completely upended by the oil and gas industry and the government's desire to make petroleum cheap and accessible, and that the failure to price-in environmental damage was because we didn't want to, not because we couldn't. Without the US government's enveloping economic control and support over the past 50+ years we'd be paying 3 times more for gas and maybe have a better market driven solution already.

It's strange that nobody ever had a problem with the trillions spent by the US government (and thousands of lives lost) to give them cheap gasoline, but toss a few bucks towards an EV and suddenly they're in the streets with torches and pitchforks because 'Dangit it just ain't right!'.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Do you think there are magic crystals that generate magical energy while parked on a road?

What a wonderful idea! A foldable solar panel charger that would fit in the trunk. Voila! Magic Crystals generating Magic Energy. If nothing else, it could run the AC all day long. Being cold is just a matter of putting on more clothes, but being hot will kill you.

 

[Rebeldad1]

I dont see them banning ICEV'S. They dont have to.
By all new vehicles going 100 electric it will start a decline in ICEV's.

Taxing gas and diesel may go up.
Banning the use of ICEV'S in certain areas like cities etc..
A environment tax on ICEV's license fees. etc
Tailpipe and noise testing.

The change from horses to vehicles didnt ban horses... Just limited where they could be used.

Trains have been all electric for many years. They just had to have diesel generators to run them. That change will come soon as well

Everything is changing at a rate unknown to man.
It now all depends on what you are going to embrace.

 

[Snobdds]

What a wonderful idea! A foldable solar panel charger that would fit in the trunk. Voila! Magic Crystals generating Magic Energy. If nothing else, it could run the AC all day long. Being cold is just a matter of putting on more clothes, but being hot will kill you.

You're right, putting in 200 watts per hour is going to save the day.

 

[RoyJackson]

Trains have been all electric for many years. They just had to have diesel generators to run them. That change will come soon as well

We're looking at thousands, if not tens of thousands, of miles that will require overhead or 3rd rail electrification.
It can be done, but I'd estimate 20 years or better...plus government subsidies

 

[Snobdds]

We're looking at thousands, if not tens of thousands, of miles that will require overhead or 3rd rail electrification.
It can be done, but I'd estimate 20 years or better...plus government subsidies

It's amazing to me the huge blind spot people have...

 

[RoyJackson]

It's amazing to me the huge blind spot people have...

It's those magic crystals somebody brought up earlier...