Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

Very few has this need when living in a tiny flat in inner city, this idea is perfect for people that today is dependent on public transport, manned taxis are way to expensive so a self driving service bus or car makes sense.

Next step is taxi drones, which will one day make a lot of today's driving totally pointless.

The 3% of pickup trucks that actually haul commercial in the USA will be exempt from going electric I expect for the next 30 years.

Coming $8+ gas and diesel prices are being ignored by some USA posters.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

With our newest major refinery 45 years old we understand when old refineries have a major accidental explosion they are likely never come back online.

Why should they? If fuel prices double they make more money with that refinery offline. Getting new refineries permitted will be harder to come by than a new EV factory in Germany.

Fuel and chemicals inflation (inputs) is starting to take out some area farmers. Bankers do not like negative cash flows. Some of the old line car OEMs are getting the same message.

 

[Agvg]

Electrification will be so cost saving that very few will remain on ICE, and I do think a lot of diesel equipment will run on many types of biofuel, HVO is interesting as it reduces a waste problem and gives fuel for those that can't go on batteries.

 

[Cub 7275]

It's highly unlikely that oil will be that expensive, producing oil in the middel east is dirt cheap and if we reduses demand why should prices go up?

Don't fall for his very misleading and bordering on fear mongering "headline". First off they are talking about the potential price per barrel of oil in 2050. Second, that high price is the worst case of three scenarios that Lukoil (Russian energy company?) envisions. Third, their best case is oil in the low $100s. For reference, if oil is around $70/barrel today and, if inflation is consistent with the last 30 years, then oil should cost about $150 in 2050 from just plain old inflation. Fourth, their worst case includes the costs from governments forcing carbon neutrality. It is not due to a predicted shortage of oil.

https ://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Lukoil-Heres-How-Oil-Could-Hit-380-Per-Barrel-In-2050.html
{quote} Oil prices are set to exceed $100 per barrel in all three scenarios for global energy developments through 2050, with inflation and carbon prices potentially sending oil to $380 a barrel in 2050, Russia’s oil producer Lukoil said in its long-term energy outlook on Friday. {/quote}


Please people, try to vet your "information" before you post. We humans are a silly lot and we start to believe anything we see. See it enough times and we start believing it, even when we know it's wrong! That $380 number will stick in the back of people's minds and subconsciously influence their thinking about the future of oil. To post it without the proper context is just irresponsible.

 

[PuffyC]

Top Electric Car Predictions For 2022

New Years is the time for predictions so here are some about EVs for 2022. It’s interesting how some of these concerns were mentioned in this forum.

- Used EVs make them more accessible to middle and low income families.
- Demand for used and leased EVs will remain high.
- LFP for batteries will make a comeback. The pros are it’s cheaper, safer, has less environmental impact and longer lifespan. Con is less range.
- EV shoppers will demand the ‘no dealership’ buying experience.
- 2021 commitments become reality. This one is about getting business and gov’t in sync and moving on actually building out the infrastructure.
- New startups will make EVs even cleaner.
- The shift to commercial EV fleets will become the standard rather than the exception.

Most of these are probably no-brainers except for the first one. The demand for EVs is so incredibly high I can’t see any becoming affordable to low income families any time soon. There are just way too many who want one for prices to drop much IMO. It seems at this point the biggest breakthrough would be manufactures being able to produce enough to satisfy the market but sadly that’s not one of their predictions.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Don't fall for his very misleading and bordering on fear mongering "headline". First off they are talking about the potential price per barrel of oil in 2050. Second, that high price is the worst case of three scenarios that Lukoil (Russian energy company?) envisions. Third, their best case is oil in the low $100s. For reference, if oil is around $70/barrel today and, if inflation is consistent with the last 30 years, then oil should cost about $150 in 2050 from just plain old inflation. Fourth, their worst case includes the costs from governments forcing carbon neutrality. It is not due to a predicted shortage of oil.

https ://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Lukoil-Heres-How-Oil-Could-Hit-380-Per-Barrel-In-2050.html
{quote} Oil prices are set to exceed $100 per barrel in all three scenarios for global energy developments through 2050, with inflation and carbon prices potentially sending oil to $380 a barrel in 2050, Russia’s oil producer Lukoil said in its long-term energy outlook on Friday. {/quote}


Please people, try to vet your "information" before you post. We humans are a silly lot and we start to believe anything we see. See it enough times and we start believing it, even when we know it's wrong! That $380 number will stick in the back of people's minds and subconsciously influence their thinking about the future of oil. To post it without the proper context is just irresponsible.

The price of crude impact on paving roads, making fertizer, building materials etc will be be huge by 2050.

Then the price of gas for cars will be mute because of the ICE having been phased out in new cars.

 

[airbiscuit]

Top Electric Car Predictions For 2022

New Years is the time for predictions so here are some about EVs for 2022. It’s interesting how some of these concerns were mentioned in this forum.
......
- The shift to commercial EV fleets will become the standard rather than the exception.
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I think that will happen, and it will give another big boost to EVs.

 

[Snobdds]

The price of crude impact on paving roads, making fertizer, building materials etc will be be huge by 2050.

Then the price of gas for cars will be mute because of the ICE having been phased out in new cars.

Gale...

Your spreading and thinking click bait claims are going to be real into the future.

It's a cult...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Top Electric Car Predictions For 2022

New Years is the time for predictions so here are some about EVs for 2022. It’s interesting how some of these concerns were mentioned in this forum.

- Used EVs make them more accessible to middle and low income families.
- Demand for used and leased EVs will remain high.
- LFP for batteries will make a comeback. The pros are it’s cheaper, safer, has less environmental impact and longer lifespan. Con is less range.
- EV shoppers will demand the ‘no dealership’ buying experience.
- 2021 commitments become reality. This one is about getting business and gov’t in sync and moving on actually building out the infrastructure.
- New startups will make EVs even cleaner.
- The shift to commercial EV fleets will become the standard rather than the exception.

Most of these are probably no-brainers except for the first one. The demand for EVs is so incredibly high I can’t see any becoming affordable to low income families any time soon. There are just way too many who want one for prices to drop much IMO. It seems at this point the biggest breakthrough would be manufactures being able to produce enough to satisfy the market but sadly that’s not one of their predictions.

I wouldn't own an EV today most likely had I not found the 2016 top of the line Nissan Leaf in 2019 with 22K miles with the promise of a new traction battery soon for $13.4K.

 

[Grumpycat]

Hydrogen fuel makes more sense then batteries, IMHO. Hydrogen is the most common element, virtually inexhaustible.
Definitely has a future in aviation, some vehicles (probably trucks) and, possibly seafaring (although I expect most ships will probably be nuclear powered).

Hydrogen is a fools errand. Fool's argument to claim "hydrogen is the mot common element" means anything. "Availability" is the key engineering term. Hydrogen is everywhere but it requires twice as much energy to access as one would use to charge an EV battery.

It takes much more energy to separate H2 from O2 than one gets recombining.

 

[Grumpycat]

And diesel engines can run on many different fuels, hvo fuel is available but not in enough volume.

Diesel engine can not run on "many different fuels" and come anywhere close to meeting EPA emissions. Pay attention to how much effort is required to get a diesel to run approximately as clean as a gasoline engine? DOC, DPF, SCR, DEF. Turbocharging is required to keep the engine in necessary operating range. Extensive software and sensors. And then a very specific fuel.

Meanwhile an EV can run on coal, oil, natural gas, hydro, nuclear, solar, wind, tides, geothermal, or unicorn tears without any special effort.