Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Agvg]

we hade one hydrogen filling station i Oslo, it exploded showing that it has issues. EV chargeres ar cheap and easy to install.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Problem with hydrogen is how to produce it, so fare it takes way to much energy and distribution is a issue.

Tesla and BYD are setting the battery standards by default to be lithium ion based for the EV world.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

What is the price range on the Ford F-150 hybrids?

Mine was 71K on the window sticker; paid less with my dealer. Platinum trim

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Mine was 71K on the window sticker; paid less with my dealer. Platinum trim

What is the range that you can get on a fully charged battery just hauling yourself at typical speeds no towing?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

What is the range that you can get on a fully charged battery just hauling yourself at typical speeds no towing?

Well... it doesn't work like that. The computer switches between electric mode and ICE mode as needed. It is not a plug in hybrid. But... I am running 22mpg overall. And... I have the twin generators built in.

 

[milkman636]

What is the price range on the Ford F-150 hybrids?

My local Ford dealer had two of the powerboost F150 hybrids in stock at the same time this summer, both in XLT trim. It was the only two trucks they had available, and they were in the low 50's on price. My impression was that it needed a bigger battery to extend the amount of full electric driving I could do before the engine kicked on. If they'd add a plug in charge option with a battery that could get me about 40 miles of empty driving at 55 mph, it would be about perfect for me. I could have one vehicle that could cover my commuting and errands without gas, but still have the power to handle the 8500ish pound trailer that I occasionally tow over 100 miles. Right now I use a smaller car for commuting/errands and I have an older F150 for hauling, they are both 15+ years old and due for an upgrade, and both require regular maintenance/repairs, plus insurance and plates. In addition to dropping a vehicle I could also sell my generator and free up the space and maintenance time that it requires. I'm already sold on getting one if they can hit the magic combination or me.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I can see both sides, however (& you knew that was coming ), you have to compare apples to apples.
When someone says "I can charge my EV at home overnight for $2"...think of the ACTUAL cost.
I just for fun pick two: a Tesla 3 and Hyundai Elantra. Wait: before the yelling "no comparison, Tesla is 10X better, made in USA, etc.", just a quick comparison.
Assume for argument you keep each 10 years and new batteries will be needed in 10 years. In 10 years each have 120K miles.
Hyundai is about $20,000...Tesla $45,000
Hyundai 10 yr/100K drivetrain warranty
Tesla 8 yr/100K drivetrain warranty
What's the real cost? Hyundai assume 30 mpg, gas $4/gal. = $16,000 fuel+ $800 oil/filter+tires.
Tesla assume 130 mpg (equivalent), using $2/day figure X 6 days/week =$6,240 charging + tires.
Bottom line, Tesla costs $25,000 more to start with (less $2,500 - $7,500 fed/state credits but + charging hook-up) so just say $20,000 more to start.
Now that bugaboo the batteries. If they are $23,000...that's probably what the EV is worth (maybe), so may as well dynamite it.
Yes, assuming gas in 10 years is $4/gal and electricity doesn't increase in 10 years (reality is both probably increase proportionately) then you paid $20K more upfront, only to save $10K over 10 years.
In the end, the Tesla will be worth way less than the Hyundai. However:
Adding more confusion is lots of articles claim batteries degrade 1%/year...so the 10 year old Model 3 would have 90% battery life. Similar to some Elantras needing motor or transmission just past warranty.
In the long run it seems like spending a dollar to save a dime.

I see this morning that Hyundai has shut down its ICE development division.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

You are welcome anytime... If my plan works out, I'll be charging off of Solar... on God's nickel so to speak...

I can see that working out well for business solar. Put PV panels on the roof and send the power to the employee parking lot. Free charging as an employee perq.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Would not have to think long before this wes chosen over a Lexus

Designer's dog

 

[airbiscuit]

I see this morning that Hyundai has shut down its ICE development division.

Oh no! I see that Hyundai provided engines for Tracked Snow Machines. What will we do now?

Oh, wait ...