Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Fuddy1952]

Not Hoover, though it's typically attributed to him.

Colonel Sanders?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The electric car revolution is about to hit a giant pothole

Will your next car be electric? If so, you won’t be alone. Sales of battery electric vehicles (EVs) have soared 89 per cent in 2021 and their share of new vehic

www.thetimes.co.uk

When it comes to EVs the 3 main things hurting adoption are batteries, batteries and batteries.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Here's how one guy dealt with his battery "problem".

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[RoyJackson]

Here's how one guy dealt with his battery "problem".

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A new take on "parting the car out..."

 

[txdon]

You know the problem from the public's point of view is the demand for EVs is outstripping the EVs on the EV dealership lots more than getting a home charger hookup.

This is true, but once one gets their new car home they experience the charging problems so much that 20% of the people do not buy another EV when it's time to get a new vehicle. The big question is how many people foresee the charging problem and are not blinded by the environmentalist and will the new toy buying frenzy fizzle in a few years. If the government wants to establish laws they need to study the 20% and fix the obstacles to keep the demand above 50% of the total number of voters or they will be looking for a new job and the EV revolution will stall at a critical point.

 

[PuffyC]

The other huge issue is standardization among charging requirements. Tesla and Chevy have very different charging voltages needed and different plugs. They all do.

All EVs are compatible with the standard J1772 connector for L2 charging. They’re everywhere and that’s the only type of charger you’re going to see in homes. For L3 charging the standard is quickly becoming CCS and EV makers either support CCS now or offer a converter. I think Tesla’s is a couple hundred bucks.

 

[Jack6378]

I don't think electric cars,and trucks will take off like they think. The battery's cost a fortune and don't last. There is one charging spot where I live that's not enough for this country.

 

[bnold]

Tesla comes with adapter in the trunk for non-Tesla chargers.

I have a charger in garage, installed a pigtail to use existing 50A welder outlet (no neutral required for 6-50 is acceptable).

The charger is capable of 40A delivery on a 50A circuit (80% rule). At work, I have another on a 60A circuit, hardwired. That one capable of 48A delivery.

I drive 216 miles round trip. I don’t need to charge at work for the range, but it is nice to top off for free (free for me that is).

Cost to add that 108miles at my house is less than $2.50 in power.

I’ve not had to use a public charger, my wife used one on a day she was doing a lot of errands and seeing family. Was 250 miles of driving, quick review of the data she would have made it, but piece of mind to charge for 10 minutes and get breakfast at Collins Street Bakery made perfect sense. About $10 in total for this trip, would have been over $30 in her car, some savings there even with the more expensive supercharge.

We also have a Ram 3500 diesel (tow/weekend vehicle) and BMW X5 diesel (wife DD)… each of our vehicles have their place.

Wife considering all electric or hybrid to replace hers. She hates taking the X5 maintenance with an odd passion.

I’m not a greeny at all (I have a huge carbon footprint compared to most!!! ) I don’t pretend this $50k+ car is going to save me enough fuel and maintenance money to pay for itself or anything, but it is a nice car with really neat technology and i don’t have to stop at a fuel station every other day like with my previous company F150. I could buy a base Honda Accord and pencil out way better, but I have no interest in owning or driving a Honda Accord.

I’d like solar on the house, but the ROI hasn’t ever come close to making sense, even doing it myself.

Another item that hasn’t been mentioned much, I see traction with getting rid of car dealers. Places like Carvana has led that from a used car perspective. Tesla, order on app, pay through app (3rd party financing not a problem), car is delivered and my phone opens the car. Not 1 physical interaction with a person. Was quite nice.

Buying the new Ram (on my 4th now), was the typical dealer salesman, sales leadership, financial, financial leadership, passed around 4hr ordeal at a dealer 2hrs away from my house. As I had just previously purchased the Tesla, it was surprising to me how much I loathed the dealer process. I say, get rid of em. Replace with a small showroom, 1-2 vehicles of each type, order what you want on your own time, have it delivered and only bring back to a service center when absolutely required.

 

[aczlan]

That means you drove straight to work and home monday through friday. No weekend driving and no driving for the multitude of other things one needs to do to function in society.

Make the examples at least a little more real like and not to the extreme of reality to make a point.

I average 260-300 miles a week total with a ~40 mile round trip commute 5-6 days a week, however after work I will on occasion make a run into the city to pick up stuff from Craigslist (or Facebook marketplace), or out to a coworker or family member's place to give them a hand and that makes my 40 mile round trip into a 60-120 mile trip for that day.
I would gladly switch to an EV as long as it met the following criteria:
1. AWD (I am often on the road before the plows run and AWD with snow tires makes for a much more comfortable drive)
2. 7 seats (to seat the kids and still have room for friends)
3. 250 mile range (to have at least 120 miles of usable range when its winter and I have the heat running)
4. Under $20,000 (used) cost, my fuel currently runs $2500-2700/year, that puts me at break even for a $6000-7000 vehicle over 5 years.

It surely can store energy...I will give you an example.

I was the economist on the board for our electric company when Amazon and Microsoft wanted to open a series of server farms here. These require so much energy to operate and chose Wyoming for it's cheap power (coal) and access to fiber optic distribution lines. My committee on the board was tasked with figuring out the load factoring and if there was enough capacity to operate these places in both peak and off peak times. Well there was not enough capacity. The bottle neck was not at the source of generation, but the capacity in the high tension cable distribution network. In order to supply the energy those companies needed, we had to add another high tension wire line to add storage capacity for times of high demand.

So...

Nope, you increased transmission capacity (like increasing from a 12 gauge wire to a 8 or 6 gauge wire when switching from a 120v 20 amp outlet for a gas stove to a 40/50 amp 240V outlet for an electric stove), you did nothing to increase storage capacity.
Increasing storage capacity would have been putting in a large battery bank in town to cover surges in demand and "smooth" out the peaks in power needed when they had large short term power demands.

Since this thread is for posting information about current and new EVs and is not a debate thread on EVS as to where they are viable or not please start your own thread if you want to debate the pros and cons of EVS cuz this is not what this thread is about if you go back and read post one.

I would not have purchased our Leaf in 2019 if I wasn't 100% certain that the reality of EVS were here to stay until something Superior to them becomes mainstream as the EVS are doing. today. them. I do not give a rat's tail if other people buy EVS or not because that is their own business.

The subject of EVS today is quite inclusive so there can be Posts that maybe seems off subject but the only subject that will get reported is someone wanting to argue the viability of EVS because each person is capable of making their own decision on that.

The move to EVs as we know in the USA needs no federal and state funds. People will buy Evs when they meet their needs at a lower financial cost over the life of the vehicle.

Here to stay? Yes, a good fit for everyone? Not so much.
I have a friend who lives in the middle of nowhere (minimum of a 30 minute drive to any "big box store"), they bought a first generation Prius when it first came out and put close to 300k miles on it with no major work.
They replaced it with the plug in hybrid version.
That wouldnt work for someone who doesn't have access to someplace to plug in a vehicle (say someone living in an apartment or a rental house).

I'm at $0.05/mile with my car. I have no car payment and the insurance rate is low. It's fully depreciated.

You must be getting around 50MPG then. That's really good.

There are no education requirements to operate Auto repair in the United States in a legal sense that I know about. The focus of leadership in the trades has not been on Education and training the next generation but getting max pay and benefits for the current employees and as you can see that has killed the ICE industry. The dumbing down of the United States has been very profound and very successful.

And the US might struggle a bit more than Europe, most of Europe are on 3 phase 400V except of course here, here it goes in 3 phase 240V on older installations like mine, newer are 400V. As I understand 3 phase are not default to all houses in the us.

Nope, single phase 120V/240V is standard here with 480V/208V 3 phase being the most common voltages for businesses that have large power needs.

I happened to be the last house on our three phase grid but homes are all single phase. Yes it is true much of the USA rural areas are single phase 220 volt Max. Even on the three phase the only time I see 3 transformers at one location is usually for like grain bins. It seems most modern factories are three phase with 408 volt grids.

480V/208V 3 phase is the standard here for businesses that have large power needs. I know of some businesses who have imported European equipment and had to get custom transformers to get the 400V 3 phase that they are expecting.

I'd like to see you take the bus in Camden, or the Bronx. Even packing I'd hesitate.

Packing? Not legally in NYC unless you have enough political pull.

As an industrial user, pollution exemptions, business deductions and tax credits will allow you to stay in business. That's how it works now, and little will change.

And that is how some people will be forced out, their competition will get their exemptions voided for some technicality and they will be done.

Aaron Z

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This is true, but once one gets their new car home they experience the charging problems so much that 20% of the people do not buy another EV when it's time to get a new vehicle. The big question is how many people foresee the charging problem and are not blinded by the environmentalist and will the new toy buying frenzy fizzle in a few years. If the government wants to establish laws they need to study the 20% and fix the obstacles to keep the demand above 50% of the total number of voters or they will be looking for a new job and the EV revolution will stall at a critical point.

I see you have a need to control politics. I learned 40 years ago I couldn't come up with enough fairy dust to control politics so I gave up promoting fairy tales.

Are you wanting to be labeled as a TBN member that is using TBN to promote your complaint about the action of politicians?

Txdon you know your last post did not potentially serve the best interest of the 5% of logged in readers to say nothing about the 95% logged in as Guest.

Of the EV owners that went back to an ICEV had bought a $5K used Leaf with a functional range of 33 miles on a nice day?

Nissan actions have been turning Leaf owners into Tesla owners for years.

I understand you could have limitations like I do when it comes to buying a new EV. I need a new roof, heating and air system and my first shop worse than a new Tesla.

Will you agree to stop making misleading posts in this thread?

I'm just an old man that has learned how to read patterns and it is clear to me and most of the world that we are moving to EV'S come hell or high water and neither you or I can slowdown or stop the EV revolution that had hit critical mass for leaders like Tesla. VW recent commitment to spend $35 billion in the next 5 years to be a serious EV revolution player.